Schumer now refusing to say if he’ll support adding gays to immigration bill

I got a note from a woman this morning who was upset that I was blaming Democrats for gays being specifically excluded from the immigration bill. It’s not the Democrats’ fault, she wrote. The Democrats are doing everything we want, she said. It’s the Republicans who are the problem. Really? Then why did Chuck Schumer just say that he’s not even sure if he’ll support an amendment to include gay binational couples in the immigration bill?

Politicians don’t help you unless they fear you. And the gay groups joined the immigration coalition without an explicit promise to include our number one provision, UAFA, in the immigration bill. And now, even our “champions” in the Senate, like Chuck Schumer, are waffling.  And this is a surprise?

If our community is going to act like pushovers, then we’ll be treated like pushovers. We got absolutely nothing by joining on board this immigration bill – nothing.

Now, I’m glad that the Latinos got what they wanted.  Really.  Sure, I didn’t fully realize that this legislation was really only meant to help Latino immigrants (80% of those helped by the bill are Latinos). I actually thought this was going to be legislation to help all Americans, to make the immigration process fairer for everyone, even those who didn’t come here illegally, and even those who aren’t Latino.  I was clearly naive.

But what bothers me most is that traditionally when you’re asked to join in the fight to pass legislation, even when it mostly helps another community, you’re usually not banned from the bill you’re trying to pass.  And you usually don’t help pass a bill that bans you.

The immigration bill didn’t change one bit because the gay groups joined on. We joined, we didn’t get the only provision we’ve been asking for, and now Democrats are talking about how they’d like to help us, they really would, but the Republicans are scary, so what can they do?

It’s hard being you, Senator Schumer.  All those scary Republicans telling you what to do.  You’d like to stand up to them, we know, but they’re so mean.  Gosh, what’s a Senator to do?  Oh that’s right, be mean right back.

Senator Schumer has no reason to help us.  After all, our groups, some of our lead activists, and a lead Democratic think tank, proclaimed the bill already the gayest thing ever, even without the UAFA provision that let’s gay binational couples remain together.  So why help us, why give us what we want, when our groups, and our allies, are already claiming that we got what we wanted already?  What’s happening now is exactly the grand betrayal that I predicted.

The gay groups were bought off long ago, even though our community got nothing in exchange (name one thing that was added to the bill to get the gay groups to join – just one).  Our groups are not willing to hold anyone’s feet to the fire, so why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?


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40 Responses to “Schumer now refusing to say if he’ll support adding gays to immigration bill”

  1. Olterigo says:

    Thank you. To all others, I say this as someone in a long-term relationship with a foreigner of the same sex.

    I personally think that Schumer realizes that the DOMA will fall this summer – even before the immigration reform bill will go into effect and – knowing Republicans – quite likely even before it’s passed into law. And then, the immigration reform will have to include same-sex couples. Whatever else, Schumer is a very smart and sober politician. (And he’s a lawyer, too. This may be a surprise to some, but to me, for example, the road to LGBT equality through the courts was obvious back in law school even without reading the special law review articles.)

    And for all the dislike here, people should realize that when a party, which keeps telling you they will deliver, just vote for them one more time, but does not deliver (like the Democrats to the immigrant populations), they lose the people’s trust. I don’t know about you, but I lived in a city with a large immigrant population, and I remember how disappointed some in those communities were when DADT overturn passed but DREAM Act didn’t.

  2. Butch1 says:

    We need to start showing them that we are going to start going to third party candidates and vote that way to remove them from office; they have screwed over us once too often. The democrats will never learn and they need to be removed from power. (completely removed) They never learn.

  3. Butch1 says:

    Exactly. He’s one of the biggest liars of them all right behind our “Liar in Chief.”

  4. Butch1 says:

    This weasel can never be trusted.

  5. dcinsider says:

    HRC is a failed group, and I am so disappointed in Chad Griffith.

  6. Bluebell says:

    Then screw the bill. It’s a bad bill. You don’t throw people overboard – as Schumer will (of course) do. He giddily voted forDOMA, after all.

  7. karmanot says:

    And we can thank Harry Reid for that.

  8. Richard says:

    Schumer needs to grow a spine. He’s sounding like Harry Reid (another spineless democrat) …. afraid to “offend” republicans. Republicans raise their voice, Democrats cower….. what a bunch of wusses.

  9. Bill_Perdue says:

    Someone doesn’t like history because it’s so embarrassing. I wonder who?

  10. Bill_Perdue says:

    It convey more meaning than camouflage.

  11. samizdat says:

    I upvoted you, Bill. But seriously, why do you hate drag queens? :)

  12. samizdat says:

    Not exactly a Profiles in Courage moment, is it?

  13. Bill_Perdue says:

    Lyndon Johnson was a genocidal mass murderer of millions of Vietnamese who also wasted the lives of hundreds of thousands of GI by death, terrible wounds and PTSD.

    He supported minimal civil rights laws to prevent an armed insurrection. Because of his own racism the question of institutional racism was left unsolved which is why unemployment and foreclosures for blacks and other people of color are much, much higher than those of European Americans. “The June unemployment data released by the Department of Labor last week showed a disturbing rise in unemployment among African-Americans, from 13.6% to 14.4%, nearly double the rate for the white population, which was unchanged at 7.4%, and higher than the jobless rate for Latinos, which was also static at 11%.

    These numbers actually understate the problem by not counting the underemployed, i.e., those who have stopped looking for work because they can’t find it and part-time workers who can’t find full-time work. When the government counts the underemployed, as part of its “U6” unemployment rate, the black rate is 22.8%, while the white rate is only 12.1%, and the Latino rate is 20.9%..” http://www.allgov.com/news/where-is-the-money-going/as-national-unemployment-rate-stabilizes-rate-for-african-americans-rises-again?news=844744

    For youth the numbers are much higher. “The number of unemployed youth in July 2012 was 4.0 million, little changed from 4.1 million a year ago. The youth unemployment rate was 17.1 percent in July 2012. The unemployment rate for young men was 17.9 percent, in July 2012, and the rate for women was 16.2 percent. The jobless rate for whites was 14.9 percent, compared with 28.6 percent for blacks, 14.4 percent for Asians, and 18.5 percent for Hispanics.” http://www.bls.gov/news.release/youth.nr0.htm

    LBJ real legacy is mass unemployment for people of color. And it gets worse. His administration murdered Malcolm X and James Shabazz and began the murderous and terrorist police/FBI reign of terror against the Black Panthers which was completed by Nixon.
    LBJ was a pig.

  14. Bill_Perdue says:

    The GLBT communities will lose if any Democrats or Republicans are elected. It’s the same party.

  15. Bill_Perdue says:

    Democrat politicians, without exception, are Republicans in drag.

  16. Paul2627 says:

    I’m sorry to say this but I agree with that woman. It’s the republicans. The very sad reality here is that democrats NEED the republicans to pass anything. We don’t have 60 senators to pass this without republican help and after the senate the real nightmare will start with the GOP controlled house. I’m sure Senator Schumer supports the measure but if the republicans leave there is no bill for anybody. It’s a very sad fact but there is no bill without republican support.

  17. MyrddinWilt says:

    Lets see what the SCOTUS ruling is on DOMA. If DOMA is struck down in a broad ruling then the amendment may not be necessary.

    The GOP has gone insane. They have suddenly realized that they need to do a 180 on their anti-Latino bigotry quickly before they lose another 20% of the country to the Democrats as a 90+% block like they lost the black vote after embracing segregation under Nixon’s southern strategy. But they still depend on the bigot vote to win elections. So they are looking for any excuse to bolt.

    Negotiating with them is gonna be hell. Making something a firm position makes it more likely the GOP is going to try to use it as an excuse for walking away.

    What we really need to do is to put pressure on the Republicans and point out that the reason they are going for immigration reform in the first place is that if they don’t draw back from hate plank politics soon then there isn’t going to be a national GOP in 10 years time. They will win some seats and state houses in the racist south and that will be all. They will concede the House, Senate and Whitehouse. The only question will be whether the Democrats get a majority or supermajority in the Senate.

    The Koch bros know that and they love the idea. Because if the GOP completes its transformation to totally batshit insane then they will lose elections as long as the Democrats follow the Blair strategy of moving to the center right. So the Republican party will lose but the conservatives will win.

  18. cole3244 says:

    schumer and the majority of the dems are telling america we are the elite of the elite in america and we and our friends in the gop will stick together because you the 99% are nothing more then a means to an ends at election time, you are fools and we are leaders so just sit back and be quiet while we take you on another ride.

  19. George Melby says:

    If any of these Congresspersons had any balls at all, they would persuade President to sign an executive order immediately after the bill passes to include ALL immigrant-status persons! Enough of this elephant mierda! Geez, what a bunch of losers!

  20. 2nd Class Gay says:

    I did. I am mad as hell.

  21. d3clark says:

    Schumer’s e-mail contact form, phone and postal address. I already sent in the contact form to his office and I’m going to call tomorrow. Feel free to join me.Schumer, Charles E.

    – (D – NY)
    Class III

    322 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510

    (202) 224-6542

    Contact:
    http://www.schumer.senate.gov/Contact/contact_chuck.cfm

  22. TeaTime says:

    Here goes one of those pesky Democrats again, and to boot, a Black Man. What is one to do? Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter today signed into law the most
    extensive civil rights protections and benefits for lesbian, gay,
    bisexual and transgender people in the nation.

  23. Savage8862 says:

    Think it is time to get rid of some incumbents. I am sure if he votes against the amendment protecting GLBT bi-national families, HRC wsill be their to congratulate him and endorse him for his next run. We need to send a clear message. We will no longer accept any elected official using us as weapons.

  24. BeccaM says:

    Schumer often says the right things — but when it comes time to have his support and the votes back it up, he’s always concern-trolling for all he’s worth.

  25. Skeptical Cicada says:

    Yes.

  26. Skeptical Cicada says:

    Hi troll. Try making sense next time.

  27. karmanot says:

    Drive by scold troll ppppffffttttt

  28. karmanot says:

    It wasn’t that long ago that Obama’s parents couldn’t immigrate to states that held their marriage illegal.

  29. karmanot says:

    Nothing new about DiFi, she’s had her bloomers in a twist against gays since her Sup. days in SF.

  30. karmanot says:

    Well Obots, how does it feel stepping in a big ole’ pile of Schumer on the way to yet another Obozo betrayal moment?

  31. TeaTime says:

    Of course it wasn’t because he was a better candidate — only in your mind! Latinos because it was there best chance at immigration reform. But, I guess you didn’t vote in 2012 because there is no way you would vote for a cowardly obstructionist who has done absolutely nothing for the LGBT community. I’m sure that non-vote served you well. Unless, you’re the hypocrite that I think you are.

  32. MichaelS says:

    This isn’t the first time Schumer has thrown progressives under the bus, and it won’t be the last. He’s about two things, and two things only: 1) power. 2) Chuck Schumer.

    It’s about time progressives took a page from the Tea Party’s handbook and primaried the sonofabitch. And if not, at the very least we should expect dinner and a “Thank you” from the man after we’ve bent over and he’s had his way with us.

  33. BeccaM says:

    Damn, that’s fantastic news. I see from the story it’s expected to pass the Minnesota Senate early next week. Something I looked up because I was curious:

    Nearly 17% of the U.S. population lives in a state that either has the freedom to marry or honors out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples.

    Over 40% of the U.S. population lives in a state with either marriage or a broad legal status such as civil union or domestic partnership.

    http://www.freedomtomarry.org/states/

    I think we’re well beyond “this is just a social experiment.”

  34. frizbeesf says:

    I’d say I was surprised by this, but when Dianne Feinsten is playing the same spineless game of “Hey! Let’s backstab the gays cuz… where are they gonna Go?”. Its not like they have any reason to take the LGBT community seriously. After all they’ll still be invited to speak at Gay Inc.’s annual ‘Gala’ dinners.

  35. FLL says:

    Schumer last faced election in 2010. In that year, America had not yet seen a single major victory for gay rights. DADT had not been repealed, New York would not see marriage equality until 2011, the federal court system had not beaten DOMA and Prop 8 nearly to death and American voters had not yet supported marriage equality in any ballot referendum. You might very well have intimidated gay voters in New York State into voting for Schumer with the hope of achieving some initial victory in the Senate.

    I don’t think I need to tell you how many victories have been racked up since the summer of 2010. How would gay voters in New York State react to Schumer’s campaign trying to intimidate them today? Things change. With three years of non-stop victories in the states, the courts and at the ballot box, I think gay voters in New York State will have enough leverage and confidence to ignore Schumer’s plea for votes. I’m sure Schumer will fail in 2016. So let Schumer fail. We’ll probably make up for it in Florida by throwing Rubio out.

  36. Naja pallida says:

    All of them? :)

  37. Naja pallida says:

    So you went to all the effort to make a post, with that much text in it, that basically says: “Everything is completely normal in Schumerland, where progressive ideals go to die.”

  38. nicho says:

    Maybe, maybe not. Some people have survived for years while screwing people over. All you have to do is make sure the other guy is scarier. How many people voted for Obama because they were shit-scared of Romney?

  39. FLL says:

    Schumer is a total schmuck and won’t do the right thing unless the head of his party weighs in and supports equality. Fortunately, we have Lyndon Johnson to show some leadership, so I’m sure Schumer will stop piddling around and pandering to bigots. Oops. No, I guess we don’t have Lyndon Johnson. Wrong century. Either we get some presidential leadership here or just the shameful sound of crickets… all through the long, hot summer.

  40. Skeptical Cicada says:

    We will see what the gays do. Screwing people over has a way of catching up to you.

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