BREAKING: New Jersey becomes 14th gay marriage state

Big gay marriage news out of New Jersey, where the state Supreme Court has ordered marriages of gay couples to begin on Monday.

New Jersey will become the 14th US state to legalize gay weddings.  More from NBC:

The New Jersey Supreme Court has ruled that the state must begin granting same-sex marriage licenses on Monday, a rebuff to Gov. Chris Christie.

Christie, a Republican, favors civil unions, which New Jersey has offered since 2007, but opposes gay marriage. The state had tried to delay the granting of gay marriage licenses pending an appeal of a ruling last month that found the state must allow same-sex couples to marry, saying that not doing so deprives them of rights that were guaranteed by the U.S. Supreme Court in June.


Here’s some easy-to-digest background from Lambda Legal (the gay ACLU, as we call it here at AMERICAblog) that concisely explains what’s going on:

In 2002, Lambda Legal filed a historic case, Lewis v. Harris, seeking marriage equality on behalf of seven New Jersey couples. The case reached the New Jersey Supreme Court in 2006. The high court ruled unanimously that same-sex couples must be provided all the benefits and responsibilities of marriage, although it declined at that time to mandate that marriage was specifically required, and gave the state legislature 180 days to provide equality. The legislature hastily passed a civil union law in December 2006, and began issuing civil union licenses to lesbian and gay couples in February 2007.  In both the 2002 Lewis case as well as the current case, Garden State Equality. v. Dow, the Gibbons Firm has been a strong pro bono partner with Lambda Legal, contributing to the fight for the freedom to marry in New Jersey.

In June 2011, Lambda Legal filed a lawsuit seeking the freedom to marry, arguing that barring same-sex couples from marriage and relegating them to civil union violates both the New Jersey Constitution and the Fourteenth Amendment of the federal Constitution. This June, the Supreme Court struck down Section 3 of DOMA, and Lambda Legal filed a motion for summary judgment in the New Jersey case, arguing that by barring marriage, the state of New Jersey now denies same-sex couples the full range of federal benefits, rights, and protections available after the Windsor decision. On September 27, 2013, the New Jersey Superior Court ruled that same-sex couples in New Jersey must be allowed to marry and set an effective date of October 21.

The case has been appealed by the state and will be heard by the New Jersey Supreme Court on January 6 or 7, 2014. Because there is no stay on the decision, same-sex couples have the freedom to marry beginning on Monday.

It’s the same legal rationale as has been expressed before: Separate is never equal. I have no doubt that the federal-level overturn of DOMA also played a part, in that NJ’s civil unions did not rise to the level of federal recognition — nor does anything else that isn’t labeled ‘marriage.

Poor Republican Governor, and potential 2016 presidential candidate, Chris Christie must be fuming. Time and time again, he’s gone the “let the majority decide if a minority can have civil right” route on gay marriage.  Christie has said, through a spokesman, that he will abide by the court’s ruling, even though he said the other day that if he had a gay child, he would tell the child that marriage is between a man and a woman.  Nice dad.

Fortunately, incoming Democratic Senator Cory Booker is there to restore our faith in New Jersey politicians.  Booker, who is Mayor of Newark, says he’ll start conducting marriage ceremonies for gay couples at 12:01am this coming Monday morning.

Here’s the court’s opinion refusing to stay the marriages:

GSE v. Dow – Supreme Court Opinion on Stay Motion by Equality Case Files

Published professional writer and poet, Becca had a three decade career in technical writing and consulting before selling off most of her possessions in 2006 to go live at an ashram in India for 3 years. She loves literature (especially science fiction), technology and science, progressive politics, cool electronic gadgets, and perfecting Hatch green chile recipes. Fortunately for this last, Becca and her wife currently live in New Mexico. @BeccaMorn

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270 Responses to “BREAKING: New Jersey becomes 14th gay marriage state”

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  2. cashkom says:

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  3. rmthunter says:

    I’m sort of surprised that no one has challenged those referendums on Constitutional grounds, using Romer v. Evans as a precedent. We’re talking about Constitutionally guaranteed rights that can’t be abrogated by plebiscite. I’ll leave to the lawyers here to comment on that idea, though.

  4. Nathanael says:

    And in the Northeast and California, he’s the living embodiment of the caricature of an overbearing, loudmouth, overweight southerner. Doesn’t seem like a good opportunity, does it.

  5. Nathanael says:

    So. Monday New Jersey marriages start. Wednesay’s the State Supreme Court hearing in New Mexico. Anyone care to guess how long between the hearing and the release of the order from the NM Supreme Court covering the rest of the counties? I don’t think there’s much doubt how it’s going to come out.

    What’s next? The Pennsylvania case? Perhaps the Ohio case to strike down DOMA section 2? Perhaps the Virginia case? Perhaps the Pennsylvania case will be the case to strike down DOMA section 2?

  6. BeccaM says:

    I wonder if ‘Vanessa’ knows that upon every page refresh, he’s helping to pay John to keep the blog open.

    But seriously, I don’t think we were ever dealing with more than a garden variety troll homophobe, probably home-schooled by whackjob fundies, compensating with rank bigotry for all he’s worth in a futile attempt to compensate for those squoogy feelings he always gets when he sees Ryan Gosling shirtless.

  7. Thom Allen says:

    You should check back more often, VanASSa came back again this AM. Nothing new, In her case, it wasn’t same sh*t, different day, it was same h8, different day. She’s a dumb slug. In addition to hate mongering and being convinced that we;re going to abscond with her children, she keeps posting a link to a book that will help people “protect” their children against gays.

    1. Assuming that it does work, she doesn’t seem to realize that the vast majority of child molesters are straight males. She might be better to target that audience.

    2. Also, many of the readers on this site are LGBTQ. Why would we be interested in the material that she claims can protect straight’s children from us? Logically, if we were interested in recruiting children and read the book, we might learn the author’s secrets about preventing recruitment and, therefore, nullify her goals. Possibly coming up with new recruitment strategies.

    Just goes to show how flawed and illogical her thinking is. Another of her many psychopathologies coming to the fore. But clear-thinking and logic are not found in psychotic religious nutjobs like her.

    Maybe she’ll go to church tomorrow and her and her minister, Fred Phelps and Jeebus, will rapture the hell out of her.

  8. Thom Allen says:

    I lived in PA for most of my life, mostly Pittsburgh, but did live for 4 years in Philly and the burbs there. Been to Scranton and Wilkes-Barre a few times. Yeah, probably very similar to Braddock, But Braddock is tiny, population about 2500 or so if I remember from the article about the wedding. Pretty depressed area.

  9. Thom Allen says:

    Sure. But I don’t think it’s original with me, I’m almost positive I heard it somewhere.

  10. karmanot says:

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    Got your profile history hon, best to move along now.

  11. karmanot says:

    Na, just a toilet troll.

  12. karmanot says:

    Same here vickif!

  13. OOH! Braddock sound like my hometown of Wilkes-Barre, where they are still stuck in the 1930’s. The anthracite lies in the ground, the last of the mills were going when I left in 1994, and they were so proud to note that the population actually increased for the first time since the 1950’s.

  14. vickif says:

    Congrats to them and my son and his husband are very happy also. They are both Professors at a New York University. Neither of them are confused after 20 years together.

  15. vickif says:

    I’m 68 and I grew up with an openly gay uncle and his partner. They were at my house all the time. They were both dead by the time I got married and had children, so my son never knew them. I wish he had. My uncle was a wonderful man.

  16. vickif says:

    I’m proud to announce-tho it’s been 3 years-that my son and his partner of 17 years-got married in NY 3 years ago, so they have been together for 20 years and counting and the world hasn’t ended, May there be many more marriages by gays in the 14 states, and I’m hoping Illinois is next.

  17. vickif says:

    I wish it was a slap in the face to any person who says that gay marriage should be voted on by eveyone. Since we never voted on straight marriage I see no reason for everyone to vote on gay marriage.

  18. olandp says:

    “If ignorance is bliss, you must have just had an orgasm.”

    That is wonderful, may I use it?

  19. BeccaM says:

    Sure seems like it, huh? Well, at least the troll-swarms are helping John pay the bills.

  20. Thom Allen says:

    Love it! Your remark, not Michele and Marcus.

  21. The_Fixer says:

    Nice value judgement based on two small pieces of information.

    Based on what I just read from you, I can come up with a value judgement about you, too: You’re a jerk.

  22. BeccaM says:

    He hasn’t quite given up yet. But the Mods remain on the job.

  23. Jeff Eastwood says:

    I just want the same rights as Michelle Bachmann — the right to marry a gay man!

  24. Jeff Eastwood says:

    Please oh please tell me whoever took that picture took care of that poor kitty!

  25. ldfrmc says:

    Perfection! Says (sings) it all.

  26. DIane Angeles says:

    It’s neat that so much of your family is well off ans so veddy well-to-do, I can understand why you brag about them. I bet your other family member’s brags about their sister who made 4000 comments on Disqus and spends so much time on teh internets too!

  27. Stev84 says:

    Technically, that’s serial monogamy.

    Even if no exploitation occurs (which is frequent), there is a negative effect of polygamy – if it’s practiced on a large scale. Women become a scarce commodity and their price literally goes up. So much that men often can’t afford a wife (that is the bride price – not to be confused with the dowry). Some argue it even leads to social unrest in such countries. Though that largely doesn’t apply to the US. The biggest challenge will be keeping the fundamentalist Mormon sects from forcibly marrying young girls.

    But it’s still a legal nightmare to treat everyone in such a relationship equally. Legally, polygamy only works because the women always have less rights.

  28. ldfrmc says:

    NJ Wedding Planner Ad: Fat “Lady.” Will sing at weddings. Between engagements as governor and presidential-wannabe.

  29. Houndentenor says:

    I love your pic and quote, but I’m not sure I want to live in a world in which a hug is not a valid form of repayment for kindness.

  30. Whitewitch says:

    Exactly-now if we could change that.

  31. Whitewitch says:

    I think Christie touched the President on the dais…guaranteed fail with the far right republicans. Sad, I kind-of thought Christie was coming around…I see he was only in it to get the goods for his state and then went back to sadly being Christie.

  32. Whitewitch says:

    I much prefer your post pappyvet to any and all posts full of hatred…thank you so much you made me tear up.

  33. Thom Allen says:

    That presupposes that you think Narth works.
    That presupposes that you think I want to change.
    That presupposes that you THINK.
    If ignorance is bliss, you must have just had an orgasm.

  34. Vanessa S says:

    It’s “ignorance” if you don’t believe in the gay agenda and the homosexual lifestyle choice being allegedly innate. has therapy for faggotry.

  35. Thom Allen says:

    I think that Braddock (the town) is the site where Braddock fought his final battle with the French. Braddock is a mill town and many people living in mill towns tend to be conservative on social issues while they are strong for unions. So, having a gay wedding there is unexpected. Moving out from Pittsburgh, you start hitting pockets of Pennsyltucky and, remember, West Virginia is close at hand, too.

  36. Thom Allen says:


    Grab both of your ears and try pulling your head OUT of your ass.

  37. As usual, the question is whether the Alabaman “T” will overcome the rest of the state. Dick Thornbush managed to win reelection by endorsing Reaganomics during the Reaganic Depression in 1982. (Ironically, I’m currently listening to American Top 40 on WOGL from 23 October of that year.) Alan Ertel was virtually unknown and lost by about 100,000 votes. I proudly voted against Tricky DIck twice! Corbett is next.

    I’ve been to Pittsburgh twice for jobs; otherwise, I’ve never been west of State College. I was surprised that not only is there a street named after Edward Braddock, but also a suburban town. Was it sympathy for a stubborn British general who refused to listen to advice on how to fight in America in 1755?

    Anyway, it’s time for someone in the Philadelphia suburbs to start marrying as well! There is a “gayborhood” in the city, and I know more than a few gays, although I doubt if any of them would want to marry. However, it is not my bailiwick, for I am a misogamist. I refuse to push my agenda on anyone else!

    Back to my original observation: only Ohio and West Virginia are left. New York, Maryland, and Delaware allow gay marriage. New Jersey tips the balance of the number of states which border Pennsylvania. If we throw in Ontario across Lake Erie, it becomes even more so.

  38. Vanessa S says:

    Don’t forget this book can recruit proof your children from entering the homosexual lifestyle choice.

  39. Vanessa S says:

    Give confused sickos the same “rights” as non perverts I don’t care. Nothing will make you morally equal to non perverts.

  40. Vanessa S says:

    The mods can’t do anything to me. I choose when to leave and when to return. I chose to sleep for 8 hours. That is why I was absent. Your mods cannot save you from the truth about the homosexual lifestyle choice.

  41. Vanessa S says:

    Correction. Infinite number of IPs, infinite number of Disqus logins.

  42. Vanessa S says:

    You think because I chose to go to sleep for 8 hours that this is “proof” that I don’t have the ability to return infinitely to your site?

    Try again.

  43. Vanessa S says:

    It is fascinating the lengths that a homosexual lifestyle sicko will go to claim “science has proven” their perversion is biological. Your argument is easily demolished. If what you say is true, why does this amazing biological “discovery” stay hidden at Uppsala University and not get rolled out to the masses of pregnant women? If what you say is true, where is the genetic test? Anyone can find any number of “studies” that have never led to the big breakthrough. You don’t impress me.

    Official APA statement:

    “There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an
    individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian
    orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic,
    hormonal, developmental, social and cultural influences on sexual
    orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude
    that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or

    No, you perverts WANT science to prove you were born living the sodomite lifestyle choice, unfortunately for you it hasn’t proved any such thing.

    Keep grasping at your bullshit studies though.

  44. Thom Allen says:

    Re: troll fun. You just missed Fred Phelps’ Satandaughter (who was probably a male) demonstrating her ignorance and bigotry. She quickly got really repetitive. She actually became more and more deranged the longer she posted. She went totally grandiose at the end, screaming that no one could stop her or ban her. She’d be back whenever she wanted to, we were powerless over her. Hope she’ll sign up for Obamacare and get the psychiatric help and medication she needs. But, at best, even if they do help, she’ll still be a major asshat.

  45. Thom Allen says:

    With Corbett’s approval rating in the toilet, I’m not sure how he could win again. With just his horrendous cute to the education budget alone, he’s gotten a lot of people pissed. Plus, his Bachmann-like comments about gays and same-sex marriage are stunning.

    Montgomery County went into open revolt. Kathleen Kane gave him a major case of butthurt when she told him to take his unconstitutional attitude and stuff it in Bird-in-Hand. Then he had to coerce the Health Department and a private legal firm ($$$) to take the case. The Mayor of Braddock (Braddock!) started performing same-sex weddings. Brian Sims seems to be doing a good job of spearheading the same-sex marriage charge and rounding up his colleagues to support it, too. I think that’s showing that the grassroots in PA are getting fired up at being left out of having the same rights as straights.

  46. silas1898 says:

    Indeed. The only primary he might win is New Hampshire.

  47. rmthunter says:

    That’s rather scathing, for a court decision. It’s a real slap in the face to Christie. I translate it as “Gov. Christie, stop running for president and go back to governing New Jersey for a while.”

  48. rmthunter says:

    I’ve never seen that quote before. It’s great. Thanks.

  49. Ooh! the homosexophobes in my state will go nuts! My native Pennsylvania is becoming surrounded. New Jersey is so close to where I live. Now if we could only get rid of the reactionary Tom Corbett…

  50. ethanajh says:

    Humans aren’t the only species that knows how to carry on polite conversation. Marmoset monkeys, too, will engage one another for up to 30 minutes at a time in vocal turn-taking, according to evidence reported in the Cell Press journal Current Biology on October 17. “We were surprised by how reliably the marmoset monkeys exchanged their vocalizations in a cooperative manner, particularly since in most cases they were doing so with individuals that they were not pair-bonded with,” says Asif Ghazanfar of Princeton University. “This makes what we found much more similar to human conversations and very different from the coordinated calling of animals such as birds, frogs, or crickets, which is linked to mating or territorial defense.”

    In other words, both people and marmosets appear to be willing to “talk” to just about anyone, and without any rude interruptions. The discovery makes marmosets rather unique, the researchers say, noting that chimps and other great apes “not only don’t take turns when they vocalize, they don’t seem to vocalize much at all, period!”

    Ghazanfar and first author of the study Daniel Takahashi were especially interested in marmosets because of two features they hold in common with people: they are generally friendly with one another and they communicate primarily by producing vocal sounds. The scientists suspected that those features would support the self-monitored give and take that a good conversation requires.

    To find out, they placed marmosets in opposite corners of a room in which they could hear but not see each other and recorded the exchanges that ensued. They found that marmosets don’t call at the same time, but rather wait for about 5 seconds after one is finished calling to respond. In other words, they follow a set of unspoken rules of conversational etiquette.

    Further study of the marmosets could help to explain not only why humans communicate with each other as they do but also why conversation can sometimes break down.

    “We are currently exploring how very early life experiences in marmosets — including those in the womb and through to parent-infant vocal interactions — can illuminate what goes awry in human communication disorders,” Ghazanfar says.

  51. Ninja0980 says:

    Basically,the Supreme Court told Christie his political ambitions aren’t valid enough of a reason to delay marriage equality and the judgement today pretty much showed how they will rule in January.
    Bottom line,the lawsuit in 06 ordering civil unions to be equal to marriage can’t be met anymore,there is no other way for the court to rule but for marriage equality.
    P.S. I miss all the troll fun,darn!

  52. Houndentenor says:

    It’s not going to work. In the south he is the living embodiment of their caricature of an overbearing, loudmouth, overweight yankee. He’s everything people in the south hate about people from “up north”. He’s not going to do any better in the primaries than Giuliani did (and probably not as well).

  53. Moderator3 says:

    Fortunately, his/her/its knowledge seemed only middling.

  54. BeccaM says:

    Except when they’re hanging out at the local gay bar trying desperately to hook up with a male prostitute and a ‘teenth of meth.

  55. vonlmo says:

    This serves to reinforce Christie’s right-wing credibility for 2016 as he can campaign against it while playing the “moderate”

  56. BeccaM says:

    Nah, just some sociopathic punk with a handful of Disqus logins and, at best, a middling knowledge of IP proxies.

  57. BeccaM says:

    Aww, thanks Pappyvet — that’s sweet!

  58. pappyvet says:

    Lest we forget

  59. karmanot says:

    Yep, tonight’s troll was mighty, mighty—maybe a Halloween zombie.

  60. karmanot says:

    Yes, the mods are GREAT!

  61. Houndentenor says:

    It’s probably just a poe. Someone posing on the internet to have some fun. The problem is that it’s impossible to tell the difference between an extremist and a parody of an extremist. This is known as Poe’s law. It explains why people forward links on facebook to parody sites. The difference between the batshit crazy things Antonin Scalia or Sarah Palin actually said and the parodies thereof are too miniscule to be easily detectable.

  62. Houndentenor says:

    I don’t know why Michelle Bachmann would be against gay marriage. She’s been married to a homosexual for years now.

  63. pappyvet says:

    OK ! Gotta do it! Time for a deep breath. Bravo New Jersey ! And now for a brief musical interlude.

    Thanks Becca ! Enjoy !

  64. pappyvet says:

    SAY! Wasn’t she in “The Gorgon” with Peter Cushing.

  65. pappyvet says:

    A guy disguised as a gal to vomit forth hatred at gays and lesbians…..hmm.
    Very disturbing. ;]

  66. pappyvet says:

    LOL !! My Gods Sis but your posts have been attracting the trolls as of late.

  67. Thom Allen says:

    You think she’s Larry Craig?

  68. pappyvet says:

    Absolutely Thom ! And I did not expect any reply at all.

  69. BeccaM says:

    I don’t think ‘she’ is a she at all. Just a pathetic, hateful little troll with too much time on his hands and too little adult supervision.

  70. pappyvet says:

    I don’t for a moment believe that it was a female.
    Bravo for all your work!

  71. Thom Allen says:

    pappyvet, “she” probably surrounds “herself” with others who have similar beliefs and delusions, much like the Phelps’ family lives in its own compound. They act to reinforce each others’ beliefs and, as a group, deny and attack opposing beliefs.

  72. Thom Allen says:

    Agree. But I have the garlic, Holy water, wooden stake and crucifix ready just in case.

  73. Thom Allen says:

    I think Vanessa is channeling Michele Bachmann. You know, Michele went even more batsh*t crazy after the shutdown died.

  74. Moderator3 says:

    I’m afraid that’s so.

  75. pappyvet says:

    Well ! That was interesting. Big round of applause for the moderators who have to deal with people driven insane by hatred .

  76. Thom Allen says:

    No, I think it’s inserted and shorting out. She’s showing more of her multiple psychiatric conditions in her ravings now.

  77. Thom Allen says:

    Is that called “Ex-Pray Therapy”?

  78. Paul says:

    Is “pervert” just your go-to, or have you thought it out more than that? What is it exactly that you find perverted about us?

  79. karmanot says:

    That explains it all! Not to mention the green complexion.

  80. Thom Allen says:

    Vanessa, good to hear from you. After your comments at the Capitol the other night (Remember? About the Freemasons, the Constitution and that “God will not be mocked,” I was worried about you. Especially after the nice Marshalls dragged you off. Good to see you’re back and your delusions and delirium are better than ever.

  81. karmanot says:

    No, we are liberals here. It’s OK if you rise from trailer times. We’ll be the first to buy ya Big Mac and polish your Bible.

  82. Vanessa E says:

    Uh Oh, I’ve got a raised wrong sexual pervert calling me names. I wonder if I am even capable of being offended by what a confused person says to me. No.

  83. judybrowni says:

    Vanessa has a reason to be upset: a house fell on her sister.

  84. pappyvet says:

    How can anyone take what you say as being anything but ramblings of an unstable mind if you don’t even have the guts to display who you really are?
    You are not a woman,clearly. So stop for a moment if you have the ability and step into the light. You are not doing anything here like this.

  85. karmanot says:

    ROTFL…….. I was wrong, you do have a bit more stand-up material.

  86. Thom Allen says:

    WOW!, “She’s” gone manic now, too. Along with her drug addiction and OCD she’s having a great night.

  87. Vanessa E says:

    You need to work the steps that can give you sir. Be brave and become an ex gay.

  88. Vanessa E says:

    That book can arm parents with information to recruit proof their children.

    Check it out.

    On producing any scientific about MY genes, are you as “successful” at that as producing the long lost “gay gene”?

    Thought so.

    Nothing but a cult here. A sodomite cult where you all circle the wagon and keep the brainwashed lies intact “we were born that way, don’t let the mean person shake your mindless faith in born that way theory”.

    Like I said, I think it is a great thing that they are allowing you confused sodomite perverts to have your fake little marriages and play house. Most of you are too far gone and brainwashed to even attempt to exit the homosexual lifestyle choice.

    It’s only the brave souls who become ex gays and keep working the program, that I respect.

    They are brave because they undo the damage of being raised wrong. Whereas you insist on remaining a raised wrong pervert sexual deviant.

  89. Thom Allen says:

    Sweetie, it sounds like you need the TWELVE STEPS of Narcotics Anonymous. You’re a dual diagnosis for sure, and then some.

  90. karmanot says:

    Pass that message on to MacDonalds

  91. Thom Allen says:

    No, Vanessa, you’re confused. That was your brother who stiffed his drug dealer and got wasted. But at least now that you don’t have access to all of that crack and crystal, you’re starting to come around.

  92. judybrowni says:

    “It’ll to be easier to eat your fries, mom, if you take your arms out of the straitjacket.”

  93. karmanot says:

    Vanessa is a turd that will take an eon to shine.

  94. pappyvet says:

    No. You’ve just shown a poor hate filled person . Blinded by poison and in need of help.

  95. Thom Allen says:

    I’d acll you the perfect ifiot, but that’s not true – you still need a lot of work.

  96. judybrowni says:

    “You want fries with that, mom?”

  97. karmanot says:

    Crucifixion is also a good alternative.

  98. Vanessa E says:

    You seem to have some hangup on some kind of “careerist” elite position you think your raised wrong sexual deviant siblings hold. I’ve repeatedly told you, its understood people can be competent at a career and still be utterly sexually dysfunctional and perverted. It’s clear.

    It’s very interesting to study your elitist snobbery in relation to fast food staffers, of which my children are not, but I wouldn’t look down my nose at them, evidently you do have a disdain for people who aren’t “rocket scientists” and “doctors” and “business executives”.

    Believe me, even if your brother was a billionaire with a megayacht in the south of France, he’d still be a raised wrong, confused sodomite sicko pervert with no dignity because he fails to rectify his unnatural perversion.

    I have more respect for a janitor who at least understands men and women naturally go together, and who understands what a perversion homosexual lifestyles are, then for your entire family of alleged “high achievers”.

    It speaks to your obvious lack of self esteem and barely concealed shame that your sibling grew up to become perverts, that you have to recourse to their mere occupations to gloss over how utterly sexually deviant they are.

    Clearly Dad was too busy being a “rocket scientist” to provide proper guidance and guide those kids away from developing sicko confused perversions. Oh to be a fly on the wall in the home where you learned unnatural sodomy is fine, and making many and career status is all.

  99. Thom Allen says:

    Thank you for sharing your most interesting psychopathology with us, Fred. However, if you think a book can protect your kids from becoming homosexuals, I suggest that, since they have some of your severely tainted genes, they’ll be more screwed up than you can imagine and, homosexuality would be the very least of their problems..

    Now you really need to calm down. One thing that’s been proven to help psychotic religious people like you, is this: go back and have a few more rounds of anal sex with your brother. That will cause you to spawn another crop of the hemorrhoids that you refer to as your “children.” You’ll become much more maternal and calm after that.

  100. karmanot says:

    Nobody cares where you go. In a few minutes your comic interest will be used up and you will be ignored.

  101. karmanot says:

    Where are you watching? Do you keep a play rag as you do. Do you spy on playgrounds and flash a Bible when you raincoat opens?

  102. karmanot says:

    Not really, your nonsense is so pathetic we are permitting you to exorcise your bitch within so you don’t beat your children like you regularly do. We’ll pray that your perversions for hate, communism and child abuse are lifted soon.

  103. AnitaMann says:

    Ya, as we all can agree, the best example of good hetero parenting is the compulsion to spend all day typing invective posts on a gay-politics blog, instead of, oh, feeding the young ones and making sure they don’t play with matches. Not. Let’s hope someone from child protective services takes note.

  104. Vanessa E says:

    Watching raised wrong perverts fail to generate a shred of proof that they aren’t raised wrong perverts is fun too.

  105. judybrowni says:

    Meanwhile, my sister is a doctor, my brother was a six-figure business executive, now retraining as a Ultrasound Technician.

    Our father was a rocket scientist — literally! — who loves all his children.

    While Vanessa’s kids are going to have to grow away from the hate and ignorance, or be forever asking, “Do you want fries with that?”

  106. Vanessa E says:

    You mean like when the mos were here before and “banned” me 2 times and I easily overcome them by simply pressing a button?

    I see. No, correction, I’ll be gone whenever I CHOOSE to go. Just like you CHOOSE to continue being a pervert.

  107. pappyvet says:

    “You have not a shred of biological evidence you were “born that way”.

    Researchers from UC Santa Barbara and Uppsala University found a biological basis for same-sex attraction, locating the origins of homosexuality in the womb. Epi-marks, the genetic switches that regulate how our genes express themselves, can be passed down from mother to son or father to daughter .

    Now I know you will not agree because the pure hatred within you will not allow it.

  108. Vanessa E says:

    I clearly have created one hullabaloo

  109. karmanot says:

    Getting a little hysterical aren’t ya honey. ?????? You are fun!

  110. karmanot says:

    Keep coming. Nobody cares. We’ll just collect your sh*t and fertilize the freedom garden.

  111. judybrowni says:

    She’ll be gone by morning, once the moderators are back from going out, having fun and having a life.

  112. Vanessa E says:

    I see you were raised wrong and brainwashed into the homosexualist agenda, its “born that way” (unproven) theory and just went with it. Because sodomy is “who you are” right?

    You were born (sodomy)???


  113. judybrowni says:

    No, Vanessa you’re powerless: you stand on the beach and command the tide to turn back.

    DADT dead, DOMA dying, marriage equality: thirteen states and counting…

  114. karmanot says:

    I see they allow you computer time at the Institute.

  115. Vanessa E says:

    I don’t care what perverts think of me, you’re beneath non perverts, billions of people know this. You’re not serious people. You’re confused people. You don’t even understand the basics of how to live. You can’t be trusted around kids.

  116. karmanot says:

    Hey pervert are you copying those lines off an Interstate urinal wall?

  117. Vanessa E says:

    Legislating to protect children from harmful gay lobby propaganda such as the failed “born that way” theory is a humane act that saves confused Russian kids from winding up like you, a product of cultural pro “gay” lifestyle brainwashing.

  118. karmanot says:

    Oh please, drink some more you are hilarious. Begone you have no power here.

  119. Vanessa E says:

    Just like one of these “transgender” sicko perverts who thinks the state giving them a birth certificate with a different sex on it “makes it official” that they are a real woman, fags believe gay marriage proves they have achieved real marriage. You’re all delusional. Raised wrong sickos.

  120. karmanot says:

    And a Stalinist too. Isn’t that attractive.

  121. karmanot says:

    With a little research we will find you have a criminal record for working Melrose Avenue at un-godly hours while dressed as Chuck Norris.

  122. Vanessa E says:

    Downvote me all you like. You cannot censor me. You’re powerless.

  123. Vanessa E says:

    It’s disturbing to see millions of kids in the west brainwashed to believe they are “born that way” should they suffer unwanted same sex confused perversion problems due to being raised wrong.

    It is good news that Russia is protecting its teens from being recruited into this harmful, deadly lifestyle choice.

  124. Vanessa E says:

    Are you referring to the drug addict who wasn’t even killed because he was a pervert but because he owed money to a drug dealer? The gay lobby has hyped the myth of Shepard so hard that it is so obvious it is your religion, the tons of gay lobby canards.

  125. karmanot says:

    Better hang on to those ruby red slippers honey, we’re coming for ya and the Munchkins are hungry.

  126. Vanessa E says:

    The mark of someone’s parenting is whether their children wind up getting involved in a perversion when they grow up. Therefore your parents failed to raise you correctly.

    It’s sad and tragic and child abuse really. To not even guide kids and tell them that men and women go together and not even help them avoid becoming a confused sicko who falsely believes sodomy and “same sex” confusion is acceptable, neglect really.

    My children are non perverts just like their parents. My children are protected from homosexualist indoctrination.

  127. karmanot says:

    We can’t assume they’ve hatched yet.

  128. Vanessa E says:

    Thank you for repeating my message to the moderator. Gotta get that message out there.

    Sicko perverts. You were raised wrong. That is why you believe unnatural perverted things about how to live.

  129. nicho says:

    Don’t worry, your kids will find their own way — once they finish their intensive therapy due to your incredibly shitty parenting skills.

  130. karmanot says:

    I hope there’s splinters in her broom.

  131. nicho says:

    I have a feeling “Vanessa’s” vibrator is in the shop.

  132. karmanot says:

    “This one’s for you moderator. Fuck you. I’ll comment here whenever I
    please. And create extra work for you, you pervert, whenever I please.” Thank you Vanessa. Now take that flaming broom and shove it up your a**.

  133. Vanessa E says:

    Welcome to the homosexual pervert blog, where disagreeing with the homosexual lifestyle choice means they try and ban you. Evidently they are powerless to do any such thing.

    What is it with you people, you can’t handle people who don’t approve of your conduct? your lifestyle choice?

    It is not compulsory to agree with the gay lobby lies you have swallowed. I believe Russia has the right idea protecting its society from the growth of sexual perversion, which spreads culturally. You’re ALL products of being raised wrong and making poor choices. You have not a shred of biological evidence you were “born that way”. Your lifestyle choice is something billions of people find to be repellant and perverted. Deal with it.

    Have your fake marriage, I’m pro “gay marriage”, I am happy to throw maladjusted sick perverts a crumb from the table of normality, you can play house and pretend you’re not perverts with your fake marriages all you like, I don’t care.

    You will never have access to my children and you will never be able to recruit my kids.

    I took the 7 steps to recruit proof your children. I know the threat organized homosexualism poses to my children’s development. I will not allow disgusting sickos to spread their lies to my kids.

    Stop recruiting kids. You sick, disgusting, unnatural, raised wrong, freaks, who COULD choose to get Narth’s help and clean up your lifestyle choice like so many successful ex gays have.

    You are a brainwashed cult.

    Sodomy is not a type of person. It is a lifestyle choice. The wrong lifestyle choice.

    Stop recruiting kids.

  134. nicho says:

    You, on the other hand, are mentally ill.

  135. nicho says:

    So you are Satan. That makes sense.

  136. nicho says:

    Nahhhh. Not gonna happen.

  137. karmanot says:

    Let’s put it this way; I trade Mathew Shepard’s crucifixion and put you there in a nano second.

  138. nicho says:

    And those would be goose steps?

  139. nicho says:

    What a truly sad person you are. I would really hate to be you. It’s really disturbing to see someone undergo a mental breakdown in public.

  140. Vanessa E says:

    I will decide when I am banned, thank you for the mere suggestion though.

  141. Vanessa E says:

    Disapproving of the homosexual lifestyle choice is a completely acceptable moral position to take. It is not a good thing that more and more people, you included, are becoming confused sicko pervert fags.

  142. Vanessa E says:

    Infantile logic, they disapprove of your lifestyle choice, therefore they are living your lifestyle choice. Nice logic perverts!

  143. Vanessa E says:

    You’re confused.

  144. Vanessa E says:

    I don’t care if they don’t approve of how I live, so long as they agree with me on the question of the homosexual lifestyle choice.

  145. Vanessa E says:

    Perhaps you should be confident you even have any power before you attempt, ineffectively, to exercise it on me.

    Fag enabler.

  146. Vanessa E says:

    You’re utterly powerless to ban me, censor the truth, you’re powerless. Nothing will work except me getting tired.

  147. Vanessa E says:


  148. Vanessa E says:

    This one’s for you moderator. Fuck you. I’ll comment here whenever I please. And create extra work for you, you pervert, whenever I please.

  149. Vanessa E says:

    You’ll never win the approval of non perverts by choosing a pervert lifestyle choice.

  150. Vanessa E says:

    It’s not an “attempt”. You censors will have to work quite harder to stop the truth about your lifestyle choice being put in this comment section.

    And I’ll come back whenever I see fit.

    At unpredictable intervals.

    Your work censoring the truth will never be done.

    Because you can’t censor the truth about the homosexual perversion.

  151. Vanessa E says:

    Those who get involved in the homosexual lifestyle choice certainly don’t tolerate anyone who disagrees with their lifestyle choice. Look at how I’ve been “banned” 3 times from this blog and how all my comments have been deleted. Can’t handle the truth about your perversion hey? Of course not. That’s why you live in denial and build propaganda sand castles around you such as the failed and discredited “born that way” theory.

  152. BeccaM says:

    Or, as many of us suspect, ‘Vanessa’ is actually a guy and it’s the other way around…

  153. karmanot says:

    You are boss mod4 ! Thanks :-)

  154. Moderator4 says:

    And we just banned her IP address, as well, which we normally are loathe to do. This may work better.

  155. BeccaM says:

    Actually, what I’m seeing now is an attempt to use multiple logins and/or IPs to get past the ban that was handed out a couple hours ago. Anyway, as reported in the comments below, our trusty Moderators are already on the case and doing some heavy-duty troll-stomping.

    At this point, it looks like everything this…person… spewed is being deleted wholesale. Yay.

  156. We get it Vanessa. You sleep with men, but you really want to go down on a woman. Seriously, we get it. For your it’s a choice who you sleep with. For a lot of us, it’s not. I see the moderator already dropped a house on you. Good riddance.

  157. karmanot says:

    My guess is that Vanessa has a wide stance and carries a love purse.

  158. Moderator4 says:

    Well, we tried. Sometimes they slip through. Perhaps she/he has bribed Disqus?

  159. karmanot says:

    She’s baaaaaak mod 4

  160. Houndentenor says:

    Because we keep finding the most vocal anti-gay people in a same-sex scandal. it’s almost a cliche at this point.

  161. Houndentenor says:

    They were all polygamists. Sorry, I assumed you’d read the Bible. My bad.

  162. Houndentenor says:

    Yes, they put up an effort but they are still gay. That’s why there are so many ex ex gays out there.

  163. Vanessa E says:

    I don’t know those guys? Did you know them? I’d have to know something abut their lifestyle choice.

  164. Houndentenor says:

    LOL. I was raised by very conservative Southern Baptists.

  165. Vanessa E says:

    Precisely. Narth doesn’t see your lifestyle choice as a disease so you’re correct it hasn’t “cured” anyone. Narth assists people who struggle with unwanted perversion lifestyles to change their lifestyle. Thousands of happy customers have with hard work and intensive counseling changed their lifestyle and said goodbye to perversion. I respect ex gays they at least put in the effort to stop living a confused life.

  166. Houndentenor says:

    We don’t recruit. We don’t have to. Gay people come looking for other gays. If you’d actually talk to gay people instead of condemning us and calling us perverts you’d already know that.

  167. Houndentenor says:

    I don’t care about your approval. It’s not a bout filing documents. It’s about legal rights which are necessary in emergency situations.

  168. Vanessa E says:

    The homosexual lifestyle choice is not a type of person, it is a lifestyle. Kids are being lied to when they are told be radical gay activists that “gay” is a “thing you can be”. It’s a lifestyle of sodomy you get involved in through a defective upbringing, not a type of naturally occurring person.

  169. Houndentenor says:

    LOL. Narth has never “cured” anyone. If they had, they’d present the evidence and publish it.

  170. Vanessa E says:

    And can talk you out of your pervert lifestyle choice of homosexuality.

  171. Houndentenor says:

    The billions of people on earth who are allowed to beat their wives, practice polygamy, and all sorts of other things we in the western world have abandoned? (Mostly, anyway.) Sorry but to get to those billions you have to include people that I’m pretty sure don’t approve of how you live either.

  172. Vanessa E says:

    Most of the non perverts who aren’t living the homosexual lifestyle choice don’t care if you sickos achieve fake marriage equality. We basically just want you to shut up and stop complaining and moaning. And above all, stop spreading your false “born that way” propaganda in our public schools and recruiting kids. If you people stopped recruiting kids you’d have less enemies.

  173. Monoceros Forth says:

    It’s much easier to talk people out of religion–

    That’s the spirit! You’re getting healthier already.

  174. Houndentenor says:

    So Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and all the other Biblical patriarchs were “perverts”?

  175. Vanessa E says:

    It probably is, you’re probably right. It’s much easier to talk people out of religion, much harder to undo an entire childhood of failing to receive proper guidance and undo that confused perversion known as “I think men and men go together”.

  176. Houndentenor says:

    I have no feelings about polygamy one way or the other. It would cause some legal complications (inheritance, next of kin, etc) that would have to be addressed. If someone wants to have a rational debate about polygamy pro or con, I’m all ears. Using it as a slippery slope argument is a waste of my time. It was good enough for Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and pretty much every male character in the Hebrew scriptures. The Bible doesn’t even say it’s wrong (except that it means you can’t be a Deacon in a Christian church).

  177. Vanessa E says:

    Like I said, confused pervert sicko, if it makes you feel “validated” to have the government stamp your documents and put them in a filing cabinet some place go for it, the rest of us non perverts will never see your lifestyle choice as equal and you know it, that is why you commit suicide in large numbers because deep down you all know you were raised wrong and you are confused sicko perverts who recruit kids.

  178. Hudson Valley Chronic says:

    Ce-le-brate good times! I think I may have inadvertently stumbled onto the perfect wedding song for a couple of love-struck dudes. It’s a little rough-and-tumble, but it’s got a great dance beat. You can even play it in Russia without fear of reprisal. Check it out!

  179. Monoceros Forth says:

    I think the cure rate for Jesus freakery is far greater, truth to tell, and that is well for you. Don’t be afraid! The first step is to admit you have a problem.

  180. Vanessa E says:

    So is the homosexual lifestyle choice. has had much success reforming people who suffer from unwanted same sex perversion. They also have many good articles on how the “born that way” theory is a fraud and hasn’t even been proven.

  181. Houndentenor says:

    LOL Because kids don’t know there are gay people? No one taught anything about homosexuality when I was in school but everyone knew what a “fag” was. I knew I was gay before I knew there was a word for it. No one encouraged or enabled me. In fact everything in my upbringing and culture discouraged it strongly. You’re so big on “proof”. Provide me with one peer reviewed study that shows that people choose to be gay.

  182. Vanessa E says:

    I care about the confused teens who become confused adults and get brainwashed into the homosexual lifestyle choice.

  183. Vanessa E says:

    Keep the faith. Without it you’d have to admit science hasn’t proven you’re born that way.

  184. Vanessa E says:

    So you ARE opposed to at least SOME perversions?

    We have more in common than you thought.

  185. Vanessa E says:

    I’ll decide when I leave, not you. Take your censorship elsewhere.

  186. Vanessa E says:

    Does the fact that a kid loves his Lego mean that is not a confused love? What about a stalker that claims to love a Hollywood star? They are confused and so are homosexual lifestyle choosing sickos. I don’t hate you I hate the lifestyle choice you made.

  187. Houndentenor says:

    LOL Gay marriage is real marriage in 13, wait, make that 14 states and many countries. It’s real in the only way that matters: it’s legal.

  188. Vanessa E says:

    Being against perversion is normal. Being an opponent of kids being recruited into the homosexual lifestyle choice is normal. Misinformed is just code for “not brainwashed by gay lobby lies”.

  189. Vanessa E says:

    Why should I tolerate perversion? Because I’m anti perversion you claim I’ a secret pervert? Do you do that with anti child molestation activists too? Claim they are secret child molesters? Or does your “you are a secret homosexual” infantile logic only go so far?

  190. Vanessa E says:

    You are confused. Of course you claim not to be, that’s normal for confused people. Not approving of kids being brainwashed to become confused doesn’t make me “evil”. Clearly you failed to get proper guidance on how to live. You think the same sex belongs together, you’re just confused. Kind of like a guy who thinks banging corpses is acceptable. He is confused and so are you. I’m yet to see a compelling reason why I should get behind the pervert agenda. You claim it is “hateful” that I don’t tolerate and accept perversion lifestyle choices? Of course, you would say that wouldn’t you. You’ve got a vested interested in being permitted to continue to choose to engage in the sodomite lifestyle choice.

  191. Monoceros Forth says:

    Don’t worry. Evangelical Christianity is learned behavior and can be cured.

  192. Houndentenor says:

    The citizens of New Jersey are in favor of gay marriage. So is the legislature. And the court. Everyone, it seems, except for Chris Christie. If he wanted to put it up for a vote he’s had four years to do that. He didn’t because he knows it would win.

  193. Vanessa E says:

    And, indeed, you don’t have the power to “ban” me, Moderator4.

    You can’t censor the truth. You cannot escape what the normal people, the billions of people in all the countries on Earth think of your lifestyle choice.

  194. Vanessa E says:

    Maybe you should study science and then you’d know that they can’t prove homosexual perverts were “born that way” at all.

  195. Vanessa E says:

    Opponents of your lifestyle choice do no hate you, they disapprove of your lifestyle choice being taught in schools and don’t approve of encouraging or enabling perverted conduct.

  196. Vanessa E says:

    You can call me “sick, perverted” all you like. I’m not the one who has chosen to live a life of sexual perversion, you are. And “mis-informed” is just code for “hasn’t been brainwashed into gay lobby propaganda yet”. If you feel you’re in a position to be the first scientist to prove the “born that way” theory is true go ahead. Homosexual pervert marriage is not real marriage, never will be.

  197. Thom Allen says:

    Mods, Vanessa Phelps was here, too, trying to promote a book, no doubt one of her favorites. You might want to remove her link.

  198. BeccaM says:

    That occurred to me, too.

  199. BeccaM says:

    And his comment’s been taken down. No surprise there either.

  200. Thom Allen says:


  201. Thom Allen says:

    Vanessa, are you the first in your inbred family who was born without a tail?

  202. nicho says:

    I just have this sneaking suspicion that “Vanessa” is a guy.

  203. Thom Allen says:

    Then he’ll tithe $45 to Pat Robertson.

  204. nicho says:

    Free? Hardly. Rev. Jimmy wants $475 to hitch you up. Talk about a major ripoff.

  205. Thom Allen says:

    Keep typing, Vanessa, someday you might say something remotely intelligent.

  206. nicho says:

    What’s wrong with polygamy? It has been and still is practiced in many places. As long as no one is exploited or coerced and everyone is happy with the arrangement, I don’t see a problem. In the US, we practice a form of serial polygamy. People have two, three, or four spouses in sequence.

  207. Bj Lincoln says:

    After reading the comments, I have something to say to Vanessa E .

    Dear Vanessa E, You are one sick, perverted, mis-informed person. You would rather listen to the lies and hate generated by a group that claims to follow a holy book when everything they say and do goes against it. You deliberately try to make others feel bad to make yourself feel superior. That is a real sign of mental illness. So many of the people who know nothing about being gay are obsessed with the one thing that is only a small part of the whole person. If your life revolves around sex as much as you seem to think ours does then you have a huge problem and I feel sorry for you.

    My marriage is as “real” as yours and probably in better shape after 9 years than yours. So how about you piss off and take your mean nasty spirit with you. My God would never approve of treating people like you do. Your words hurt and I am going to blame the next child who takes his/her life on you.

  208. emm1010 says:

    Does the fact that people of the same sex love each other and want the protections of the law so threaten your world view and your sense of self that you have to spew your hatred out to the world? Does it feel good to let all that hate out? Does it make you think you are better? If you believe in Jesus Christ do you think you are walking in his footsteps? If you believe in God don’t you wonder that perhaps gay people are a part of his grand scheme? Do you think you know better the will of God? And if you don’t believe in God and you aren’t defending your interpretation of you faith, how does being so hateful benefit you or the world in any way?

  209. tomtallis says:

    Oh, nooooooooo! She was such a nice chew toy.

  210. tomtallis says:

    When they make their case for polygamy (or polyandry). Gays have made their case.

  211. judybrowni says:

    Definitely, extra nuts.

  212. judybrowni says:

    Where we grew up, my brother and sister and I.

  213. karmanot says:

    creamy or extra nuts.

  214. karmanot says:

    Just when I was about to suggest she use her rosary for benwa balls.

  215. Moderator4 says:

    And, indeed, she is banned, BeccaM.

  216. Moderator4 says:

    Vanessa E, you are banned. Take your bigotry elsewhere.

  217. BeccaM says:

    I think I can say with confidence that Vanessa’s stay here will be brief.

  218. karmanot says:

    Try this on for size bitch: I am not evenly remotely confused and earned my authentic identity well over half a century ago through great strength, superb men and women teachers, blood sweat and tears—–no thanks to evil bigots like you. I had excellent parenting and have been happily married for over twenty years. Thousands of us were not so lucky, suffered greatly, and often died by our own hand or were murdered by your kind. You and your shriveled soul are covered in the blood of hate and animus.

  219. judybrowni says:

    Boo hoo for the old men in Utah statuatory-raping multiple 14 year-old girls!

    Interesting where your sympathies lie.

  220. judybrowni says:

    If you’d graduated from college and studied logic while there, you’d understand what you’ve done up there is a “false equivalence.”

    But you’re a barely literate, bigoted, envious panty sniffer.

    So sad for you!

  221. mikedoll says:

    Your bugged, that makes so freaking happy. I’m not gay but I really dislike the stuck up opposition. That would be you.

  222. mikedoll says:

    I get the feeling you have considered trying peanut butter with the dog.

  223. BeccaM says:

    Shoo, hateful bigot.

  224. mikedoll says:

    Nice try but using reverse logic with Rightie thinking is not as effective as you might imagine. You poor, poor put upon person.

  225. Vanessa E says:

    What does the profession of a confused pervert have to do with anything? You can be high up in the Catholic church and still be a pervert, you can be the coach of a big time football tea and still be a confused pervert. I’m not impressed that your sister is a “doctor”. What about her son’s human right to a shot at being raised by his mother and father? What gives your pervert sister (who was raised wrong in my book) the right to deny her son his father by design? Clearly the rights of sodomite pervert lifestyle choosers are more important than that of kids.

    Your brother’s a confused pervert too? I guess your parents did a GREAT job of providing proper guidance on how to live!!!! not. Your sodomite lifestyle choosing brother’s GPA doesn’t impress me. He clearly failed the test on understand that men and women go together and are the two complementary halves of humanity.

    If a woman tries to mate with a dog or a dead body, or another woman, she’s confused. Your brother and sister are confused.

  226. tomtallis says:

    Christie will be fine with the base as far as anti-gay hate is concerned. His big problem with the teabagging lunatic fringe is that he accepted help for his state from President Obama and dared to appear on the same dais with the President. The teabaggers wanted New Jerseyites to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps after Hurricane Sandy.

  227. mikedoll says:

    Wow Vanessa way to be tolerant girl! Don’t worry we have all had fantasies it doesn’t mean that you are gay. These people won’t hurt you any worse than you are hurting yourself.

  228. BeccaM says:

    Homophobia and bigotry aren’t ‘normal.’ They’re signs of mental illness. You’re the one who needs to look into serious psychotherapy, given nearly everything you’ve said here is hateful and misinformed.

    In particular you might want to start your treatment by exploring this compulsion you have to show up on a progressive LGBT-supportive blog and insult everybody here with these nasty comments.

  229. Vanessa E says:

    All the polygamists have to do is spread propaganda that they were “born that way” and they can get in on the fake marriage, pretending to be normal, pretending not to be perverts thing too. I think it will happen by 2020.

  230. harrykuheim says:

    Let’s keep sending those Mormon Polygamists to Prison though…they shouldn’t have Rights.

  231. judybrowni says:

    You mean like my sister, the doctor, who was with her partner for over 30 years before they could marry legally, and who had already raised a son together?

    Confused for going on four decades?: funny, none of her patients seemed to notice that.

    Or my brother — with his partner 35 years — my brother who went back to college at age 58, and after earning a 3.8 GPA was accepted into the Ultrasound Technician program he wanted, that rejected students 30 years younger.

    He doesn’t sound very confused, either.

    However, you sound bigoted, barely literate, and like a big old panty sniffer.

  232. harrykuheim says:

    Great…when do Polygamists get to exercise their Rights?

  233. Vanessa E says:

    Never compare “on paper” equality to how most of the non pervert population feels about your lifestyle choice. Take away political correctness facades and I think you’ll find the support for your lifestyle choice is very low.

  234. Vanessa E says:

    Confused love wins. Next on the agenda, people who “love” their pets and sisters.

  235. Vanessa E says:

    Is the faith based the bit where the homosexuals claim without any proof that they are born that way?

  236. Vanessa E says:

    I am all for giving the confused perverts who style themselves as “gays” the “right” to get “gay married”, normal people will always know a “gay marriage” is not a real marriage. In reality we should have empathy for those who are involved in the homosexual lifestyle. Clearly they are deeply confused people who did not get proper guidance in their childhoods. If the “right” to be fake married makes them stop complaining and makes their sad lives any easier I am all for it. They need therapy not marriage, but I see that for so many they are too far gone down the rabbit hole of the sodomite lifestyle choice and its attendant “born that way” propaganda that many don’t even try to clean up their lives and exit this perversion lifestyle. Thankfully a handful of brave men and women do seek help. I respect them for reforming their lifestyle choices.

  237. BeccaM says:

    Or mention that services will be provided for free, including where and when, since it’s totally not cool to advertise commercial services in AmericaBlog comments.

  238. BeccaM says:

    I spent most of my early post-college working career in New Jersey. I’m rather proud in a sideways kinda way, too. Good on them.

  239. nicho says:

    Why not buy an ad?

  240. arcadesproject says:

    Cool! I am proud to call the Garden State my home state, even though I left it long ago.

  241. Rev. Jimmy Smith says:

    New Jersey Wedding Officiant

    Faith based and non-religious wedding ceremonies.

  242. cole3244 says:

    pretty soon the cons will be saying that rainbows after showers are a liberal socialist plot to destroy marriage in america.
    don’t look now haters but you are being surrounded by the same sex police, how does it feel?

  243. Jordan Petersen says:

    Love wins. :)

  244. bkmn says:

    Except that the religious wing doesn’t like that he doesn’t hate the gays enough and the T-baggers look on him as a New England style libral RINO.

  245. a_hick_in_hixville says:

    Calling a “big” target like Christie a “fatass” is a lazy, too easy by half way to do an ad hominem, and relies on a nasty, crude laugh getter for cheap effect. What is really funny is that Christie is the most electable thing for 2016 the Republicans actually have.

  246. BeccaM says:

    I think you’re required to say that in a wacky Jerry Lewis voice.

  247. SomeYankInRio says:

    so now 31% of Americans live in marriage equality states. nice

  248. Smail Buzzby says:

    Earth to Mr. Fatass (despite having had ‘I’m a disgusting Fatass surgery’ – jeez) – representing your people doesn’t mean doing what YOU think is best.

    We DEFINITELY need more people like you in DC, Mr. Fatass…people who don’t know how to do their jobs but instead try to impose their will on the entire country.

    How can this gross moron think he has a chance at being President?

  249. BeccaM says:

    But credit for the awesome animated Snoopy GIF is all yours.

    In truth folks, I started this post, but John filled it out massively with extra content. I really wish it was possible to have co-author bylines.

  250. AMERICAblogojevich…

  251. Thom Allen says:

    But I LIKE it. Rolls off the tongue like the mating call of one bull frog to another. Blgo, blgo, blgo, blgo.

  252. Oops! That was MY fault!

  253. Amy Newman says:

    The modern Democratic party isn’t even very liberal let alone communist.

  254. Indigo says:

    That’s a wonderful precedent for the rest of us, living under Christian Sharia in the Backward States.

  255. Thom Allen says:

    Becca, Thanks for the post.

    And, you may have just produced your own version of “teh gay!” “Lambda Legal (the gay ACLU, as we call it here at AMERICAblgo)”

  256. Thom Allen says:

    Yesssssss! Welcome, New Jersey, to the world of same-sex marriages! Not only did the NJ Supreme Court refuse to halt the Superior Court’s judgement, it did so unanimously!

    Gov. Christie’s reaction to the NJ State Supreme Court’s decision:

  257. Bill Clinton says:

    We should tax at 95% rate and just give people what they need! No more heartaches! OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA!!

  258. Bill Clinton says:

    DIE Republikin skum

  259. Bill Clinton says:

    Obama is my king. I will follow him forever. OBAMA FOR 2016 President!
    Lets be serious, we keep calling ourselves liberal but I think we are closer to Communist!

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