BREAKING: Fred “God hates f*gs” Phelps is dead

The man who made famous the slogan “God Hates F*gs,” religious right preacher Fred Phelps, has died, according to Phelps’ son Timothy.

Phelps’ estranged son Nathan posted the news that Phelps was dying the other day on Facebook.

Phelps was, until recently, the head of his own “church,” the Westboro Baptist Church, in Topeka, Kansas.

Over the past two decades, and then some, the church, comprised mostly of extended family members of the Phelps clan, has devoted itself to vehemently opposing homosexuality by regularly picketing the funerals of people perceived to be gay or gay friendly.

Fred Phelps in cowboy hat, from Godhatesf*

Fred Phelps in cowboy hat, from Godhatesf*

In addition, the Phelps’ made a name for themselves by protesting the funeral of US military members. They would hold up signs saying God loves IEDs (the improvised explosive devices that were so deadly against our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan). Congress passed a law to stop Phelps from protesting military funerals.  But the Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in favor of the Phelps’ right to freedom of speech when conducting such protests.

The Phelps’ also protested other things, like the funerals of victims of a bridge collapse in Minnesota.  They protested Steve Jobs’ funeral because he donated to the effort to stop the Mormon-funded Proposition 8 effort in California (which successfully repealed the right of gays to marry in that state).  The Phelps’ even protested the funeral of a nine year old girl killed in the assassination attempt against Cong. Gabbie Giffords.

Not that there weren’t some good take-downs of the Phelps’ over the years.  There’s this from those wonderful Taiwanese animators:


Then there’s the time the Phelps’ made the mistake of protesting a bunch of comedians. The comedians struck back:


The day Fred Phelps made the mistake of protesting a bunch of comedians, and the comedians struck back.

Interestingly, Nathan’s Facebook post reveals that his father was excommunicated from the church last year, something people were not aware of. It’s unclear why.  The post also says that other family members who have left the church are not being permitted to come back for the funeral.  (A number of family members left the “church,” which many call a cult, over the years.)  Intolerant to the end.

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8.  © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8. © John Aravosis 2013

Here is Nathan Phelps’ Facebook post:

I’ve learned that my father, Fred Phelps, Sr., pastor of the “God Hates F*gs” Westboro Baptist Church, was ex-communicated from the “church” back in August of 2013. He is now on the edge of death at Midland Hospice house in Topeka, Kansas.

I’m not sure how I feel about this. Terribly ironic that his devotion to his god ends this way. Destroyed by the monster he made.

I feel sad for all the hurt he’s caused so many. I feel sad for those who will lose the grandfather and father they loved. And I’m bitterly angry that my family is blocking the family members who left from seeing him, and saying their good-byes.


I’ve always been of the view that Fred Phelps helped the gay rights movement immensely.  He provided the perfect encapsulation of the religious right’s hatred of gays.  Sure, most of the religious right wouldn’t have the nerve to hold signs calling gays “f*gs,” but they’d think it.  They wouldn’t have the nerve to damn us all to hell, but they’d think it.

In the same way the religious right is finally able to fully express its utter hatred for gays by going to Russia, Europe and Africa and helping governments there attempt to outlaw homosexuality, and more generally crush gay and trans people, Fred Phelps was the honest window into the religious right’s soul – the unfiltered expression of their bigotry and intolerance.  And he helped show a lot of Americans just how hateful the religious right really is, and just how much prejudice gay people face.

Phelps also motivated an entire new generation of straight gay-rights-activists. Below is a video of students at Santa Monica High School organizing a counter-protest to Phelps’ protest of their school in 2013.

In a very real way, America is about to lose its most effective gay rights advocate.

Good riddance.

Here are a number of photos I shot of the Phelps clan outside the Supreme Court back in March, 2013, when the court was hearing oral arguments on the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and Proposition 8.

Fred Phelps klan, at the Supreme Court oral arguments on the Prop 8 gay marriage case.  © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps klan, at the Supreme Court oral arguments on the Prop 8 gay marriage case. © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8, challenged by a pro-gay advocate.  © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8, challenged by a pro-gay advocate. © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8.  © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8. © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8 and DOMA.  © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8 and DOMA. © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8.  © John Aravosis 2013

Fred Phelps Klan at Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8. © John Aravosis 2013

Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8, gay marriage. With Fred Phelps clan signs in the bkacground. © John Aravosis 2013

Supreme Court oral arguments on Prop 8, gay marriage. With Fred Phelps clan signs in the bkacground. © John Aravosis 2013

The religious right Phelps clan protesting outside the Supreme Court during the DOMA and Prop 8 oral arguments.  © John Aravosis 2013

The religious right Phelps clan protesting outside the Supreme Court during the DOMA and Prop 8 oral arguments. © John Aravosis 2013

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206 Responses to “BREAKING: Fred “God hates f*gs” Phelps is dead”

  1. Oliver Kent says:

    Thank you for interesting post.

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  2. George Vreeland Hill says:

    If gays really do go to Hell, then Fred Phelps is down there with them too.
    It must be quite a sight to see old Fred surrounded by them.
    Payback can be nasty.

    George Vreeland Hill

  3. 4th Turning says:

    Actually just read your comment on the MI decision and wanted say congratulations.
    Went back and read your various comments together and found myself appreciating
    your consistent reasonableness-if that’s a real word. Am reading a great book right
    now you might find interesting (I mentioned Darwin’s Sacred Cause elsewhere but
    I doubt very many like history as much as I do.) Ethical Wisdom-Matousek. Will make
    them my wedding gift. If you’re into Buddha themes-Ordinary Magic-Bosse.
    Happen to watch Netflix’s Pit Stop this past week. By Malaysian director/writer Yen Tan-
    a very nice film. Am always kind of surprised by sensitive portrayals of us by “outsiders”.

  4. 2karmanot says:

    Dead? How could they tell?

  5. Bill_Perdue says:

    I’m a good deal more optimistic than that.

  6. SkippyFlipjack says:

    Phelps was last seen being told by St. Peter, “Got news for you, he actually doesn’t. I know the Big Guy pretty well, and he doesn’t at all.”

  7. BillFromDover says:


  8. crazymonkeylady says:

    Suddenly, the World is a better place.

  9. tedhayes says:

    No sadness is this corner. Some people just simply have to die before sanity can be restored and progress can be made.

  10. pappyvet says:

    OMG a nice funeral to attend and I cant remember where I put my chaps !

  11. Silver_Witch says:

    I completely understood the point of your comment. And the point of mine is that one can struggle against the truth – however, it rarely changes – until change is force. We will live to see a Clinton once again in the white house – or perhaps worse. This is not a socialist government – never has been and I suspected will not be in the next 20 years.

    Struggling is a worthy cause – it does not often however change things for the better – a simply look through history is my proof.

  12. Bill_Perdue says:

    I have even less faith in the courts but sometimes it’s useful to point out the deficiencies of the current government of the rich in order to get people to think about what a decent, socialist, government would do.

    No NDAA, no racist murders of Arab American citizens, no FISA, no Paytriot Act, no imprisonment and torture of Chelsea Manning or hounding of Snowden.

    We’d end the imprisonment of millions of young people of color on drug charges, the newest form or slavery, by insuring that they had jobs, socialized medicine, an education and decent housing.

    Instead, we’d open investigations into war crimes committed by the Bushes, the Clintons and Obama, we’d prosecute the scum in Florida who murder black youths and and we’d prosecute those who want to murder Arab Americans. And we’d indict cult and political ‘leaders’ who incite anti-LGBT violence.

    That was the point of my comment.

  13. Butch1 says:

    I heard a rumor he was excommunicated because it was unconfirmed he was possibly gay and might have been still playing around and got caught in the recent past.

  14. Butch1 says:

    That hateful woman and her brother should have their children taken away from them. Teaching them to hate like that is horrible. The fact that they are lawyers is the only reason no one hasn’t taken their kids away yet. The state should still try because what they are doing is a sickness. To say that we need to be put to death is a threat to all of us and that needs to be looked into in my opinion.

  15. Silver_Witch says:

    I wish them much luck…but have little faith in the courts finding against him and his practice of his religion…regardless of how ugly it is.

  16. Indigo says:

    I like the ancient Egyptian notion of the weighing of the heart. If it’s so heavy with hate and transgression that the Ibis-headed god Toth finds it weighs more than the Feather of Truth, it is tossed to Sobek the Crocodile god who snaps it up and eats it and that soul is no more. It’s as if the individual commits spiritual suicide by hating and once dead, is entirely gone as if he or she never was. That works for me.

  17. Indigo says:

    I’m not confused, just disgusted by their toadying attitude.

  18. Indigo says:

    You beat me to it.

  19. ChrisDC says:

    No, but I loved him as that nutso ghost preacher in Poltergeist II. (Kind of seriously — the guy the cast in that role looked so much like Phelps, I half wondered if they did that on purpose.)

  20. Bill_Perdue says:

    You can punish criminals and he was a criminal.

  21. zekec says:

    Why isn’t Westboro Baptist Church protesting at his funeral? I thought they hated everybody.

  22. MyrddinWilt says:

    Where is the demonstration going to be?

    I’m gonna show up to sing ‘All we are saying, is give hate a chance’.

  23. Silver_Witch says:

    Sadly you can not legislate morality. You can not force people to be kind and we, as a nation, can not prosecute the mentally ill for acting out. Treatment would be nice, there too though it must be through ones desire.

  24. Silver_Witch says:

    Indeed, he created his own hell right here….and was ex-communicated by the very hate filled organization he created. I too, do not believe in anything after this, so what you create here is what you get…to be so full of anger and hatred and then to have the evil you created consume you – is, to me, perfect justice served piping hot!

  25. douglas01 says:

    I don’t usually say things like this but I’m truly glad this nasty hateful human being is dead.

  26. The_Fixer says:

    Ding-Dong, the hater’s dead.

    He had potential at one time, he was a decent civil rights lawyer. Until he got disbarred. And then he went on this lifelong tear about teh gays. I can only blame the people who composed the bible and his understanding of it. That’s what all of this centers around, really.

    I am happy to know he’s dead. I don’t believe in the whole heaven/hell/life after death thing. But I think he got his torment here on earth when he was alive. Think how truly unfortunate it must be to let hate rule your life so completely. Chasing settlement money to do it, too. What a miserable existence that must be!

    That miserable existence will continue for some in the Phelps clan. I really think they’ve jumped the shark at this point, though. They have proven some worth to the cause of gay rights, no doubt. Our notice of them, which drew the mainstream media to look at them, certainly got them an out-sized share of publicity. It was an odd kind of near-symbiosis, but I think it’s likely going to fade away. Gay rights is coming of age, and these Phelps people are looking more ridiculous by the day.

    In the end, I guess we can say “To Dust ye shall return, Bitch!” That’s one thing the bible had right.

  27. FUFatherEisenman says:

    Say hi to Jerry Falwell while your burning in hell.

  28. HereinDC says:

    Will there be increase sales on iTunes of ” Ding Dong the Witch
    is Dead” as they did when Margret Thatcher died?

  29. HelenRainier says:

    I live in the soggy Pacific Northwest. The sun is shining brightly today with lovely blue skies — now I know why.

  30. lynchie says:

    I think we should get Romney to get the Mormons to christian him in their Church. What a waste of a body.

  31. nicho says:

    He was a tortured soul — extremely mentally ill. I hope he has found peace.

    Unfortunately, the Satanic cult he founded will go on. They had recently excommunicated him for being too nice. So I don’t think we can expect to see any letup in the hate speech from that corner.

  32. milli2 says:

    Oh how I would love to witness the little chat that God is having with him right now. Hopefully it ends with a nice trip to a very hot place.

  33. Bill_Perdue says:

    A decent government would have charged him with crimes against humanity years ago, prosecuted him and then punished him. Too bad we don’t have a decent government.

  34. Webster says:

    When Joan Crawford died and they told Bette Davis, she reportedly replied, My mother always told me to speak good of the dead. Joan Crawford is dead. Good.

    That sums up my feelings in the matter.

  35. I don’t think it makes one difference one way or another to be honest. The Westboro Church is going to keep protesting and if people picket his funeral or perform a satanic mass to turn him gay on his grave it will only turn him into a hero in their eyes and they will keep on protesting. It is sad that he didn’t come to his senses and accept people on an equal and fair basis.

  36. TheOriginalLiz says:

    good riddance to bad rubbish

  37. I’m confused by calls by some gay leaders for compassion, and quiet respect here. This guy was a hideous monster, who spawned several other hideous monsters. Who would we be pretending for? NOBODY liked this guy. I see no reason to put on a fake response to this death. It’s the only death I can remember that put a smile on my face. Maybe Bin Laden? Maybe Breitbart. . . .

  38. 4th Turning says:

    Mostly in agreement. I’m not sure about ignoring the crazies and enjoying
    life. They have a way of intruding at very inconvenient moments as you’ve
    probably experienced more than once. I like the B.’s mindfulnessness-
    which isn’t about hand-wringing, etc. More about simple vigilance.
    What’shisname left many individuals and families with an enduring dark
    memory. And again agree-impossible to ignore the burn of white-hot hatred.
    Okay. It’s been all about u.s. and the polar vortex of ’14. No mention
    of it/them coming across Canada on our news. Were all-time
    temp/blizzard records smashed up your way, too? As a matter of fact,
    I think your mayor has been the only news from Canada in the last
    27 yrs. unless I’m mistaken-and I love the place. Have driven from
    WaWa to Montreal…

  39. dcinsider says:

    So this wasn’t the guy who played Herman Munster?

  40. mark_in_toronto says:

    At least there’s only 999 now. One less bigot is better than nothing.
    Just as many crazies up here . . . the only difference is nobody cares what they think . . . we just ignore them and enjoy life.
    That said, being from the US, I can’t ignore what effects my friends and family. And somehow after hearing this news, that has become just a little bit easier.

  41. Butch1 says:

    Their kind of hate was a money maker for them until if finally backfired this last decade. They’ve been on the skids ever since. Now they try and grab attention by acting out being sensational showing up at military funerals and other places to grab attention. These people are very sick and need to be on the front page all the time. They want people to strike out at them so they can sue them. Most of them are lawyers and they always win in court. This is how they make their living. They need to be ignored for the scum that they are. Eventually even the media will tire of their childish ways and they will stop report about them. Finally, they will just fade away as a foot note listing them as another crazy hate group.

  42. mirth says:

    Finally, some good news. Better when this pus filled hater finally dies. Better yet when the rest of his mindbogglingly hateful, grifter family follows.

    OT: This excellent interactive site might be useful for those trying to keep up with state-by-state equality news,

  43. StraightGrandmother says:

    Oh yeah, totally incest.
    Probably he sexually abused his daughters but now that they have daughters, they hit back.

  44. Silver_Witch says:

    Ohhh they are all about suing and taking people to court. That is how the family makes all of its money. They are not really about religion at all…just hatred.

    Fred Phelps and his small congregation provide WBC’s funding; the group neither solicits nor accepts outside donations. In addition to this income, the church makes money by winning or settling civil lawsuits involving the church. During the 1990s, the group sued Topeka multiple times for failing to provide sufficient protection during its protests. Although they lost most of their cases, WBC did win $43,000 in legal fees in 1993. According to Shirley Phelps-Roper, they also won more than $100,000 in 1995 in a lawsuit against Kansas’ Funeral Picketing Act, which they claimed violated their First Amendment rights. Because the Phelps family represents WBC in court, they can put the fees they win towards supporting the church.

  45. 2karmanot says:


  46. woodroad34 says:

    Karma is a bitch and she’s just champing at the bits to have her day.

  47. woodroad34 says:

    very good.

  48. woodroad34 says:

    He was dead on the inside already…just a matter of time for the rest of it to die. “Fish heads, Fish heads”

  49. woodroad34 says:

    I don’t even think he/any of them has all his/their buttons anymore.

  50. woodroad34 says:

    If that’s the case, so much for their vaunted “beliefs”. Thievery and lying are still sins; correct?

  51. Silver_Witch says:

    I read somewhere that Phelps was only “excommunicated” because the Phelps do not want to pay for his care and that by “excommunicating” him, he is entitled to hospice care on the State. I hope they applied for the ACA for him, so he is covered by that plan and dies under the care of someone he hated to faithfully.

    I believe though he will be flung out of hell by the Devil himself.

  52. The_Fixer says:

    I have a problem with 5 foods. At least these are the 5 I can remember at the moment.

    Hate cabbage. My mother had this thing of preparing corned beef and cabbage every St. Patrick’s day. I hated it so much, and she finally let me make my own supper when I got old enough. While the rest of the family was eating that, I had scrambled eggs.

    I dislike mushrooms not because of the flavor, it’s the texture. Makes me gag trying to chew on something that is not exactly solid.

    Melons, with the exception of watermelons, have a flavor that I can’t stand.

    Cinnamon gives me migraine episodes. Not the full-boat headache (thank the FSM), but the visual aura and it makes me non-functional.

    Liver and onions tasted like dirt to me. I never willingly have that to eat. It doesn’t make me sick, it just tastes bad.

    I can identify with Becca’s knowing that someone’s special preparation makes no difference. I have had everyone’s special secret L&O recipe. Haven’t ever found a winner.

    All goes to show you that everybody’s body is different. And how whiny I am about what I eat :)

  53. The_Fixer says:

    ^This, Yes.^

    Exactly. Although a picket of his funeral is deserved and would be a nice payback, that’s all it would be (and a pretty empty one – he’s dead). The image of the gay community dancing on his grave would do us irreparable harm, in my opinion. It shows us to be what a lot of people wrongly assume: that we’re simply “the other side of the same coin.”

    But if people want to celebrate with a nice house party, well, I’m there!

  54. 4th Turning says:

    Don’t know about up your way, but I strongly suspect there are a 1,000+
    down here ready to step into his shoes unless they were made of asbestos
    and he kept them just in case.

  55. vickif says:

    A couple of years ago they were protesting at the University of Chicago and the students were hanging banners and laughing at the protesters. The students that were outside were laughing also. Good times.

  56. Butch1 says:

    When one stops to think, this is a first for the Westboro Baptist Church. ;-)

  57. Butch1 says:

    I think that button will be “out of order” for him. ;-)

  58. Butch1 says:

    Every seven years or so our body changes its skin cells etc. There are some things that I used to be fine with and now I am now allergic. You could always use this excuse to not eat them anymore besides the obvious reason that they cause “the vapors” in many of us as we grow older. The cabbage family has that affect on us and whatever reason for passing the plate is a good reason if you do not want to eat them in my opinion. Food allergy is good enough for me.

  59. olandp says:

    Chilling the champagne.

  60. Butch1 says:


  61. mark_in_toronto says:

    I will now practice my freedom of speech:
    Good riddance!

  62. woodroad34 says:

    There he is in the elevator lobby to heaven and he manically pushes the “up” button; but the elevator insists on going “down”.

  63. chrislib says:

    He is/was a sick and tormented soul. But we should remember the thief on the cross, and that priests give last rites to the already-dead. We shouldn’t become what we behold.

  64. BillFromDover says:


  65. Daniel Teare says:

    My post was an email i sent to Fred Phelps church and family.

  66. Daniel Teare says:

    I would like to share with you and your organization some
    peace and a message from our Creator
    Anu. Your organization is the epitome of judgement
    and misinterpretation. Your group and followers practice and teach hatred. Our God
    our Creator is an ALL LOVING GOD. Thou Shall not Judge. Did
    you and your group forget that. Who are you, but mortals to pass judgement. It is not for you or your groups role in life to pass
    judgement. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Once your leader of
    hate (Fred Phelps) passes, he will be awakened and enlightened to his misguided
    teachings, beliefs and unnecessary hatred toward many. The world is a more peaceful place when people
    get along and practice and teach peace. If one thinks otherwise, many are in

    I would like to share with you and your group a bit of
    peace. The following is in response to a
    comment I replied to from a young mother who stated and believed there is no GOD.

    Monica, GOD does exist, otherwise you wouldn’t exist. open
    your mind. I know you are capable. You are merely misinformed. You will once
    again be of the higher conscience and be again one of the light bodies. My
    Grandparents passed over, several years ago, Grandfather went first. Both were
    all God loving, good people. At times slightly over the top at with the Bible.
    As a child, I for some reason knew they were wrong about some things in the
    Bible. There were too many parts missing I felt. As i grew older the missing
    parts would come to me. I grew to understand internally. I had a passion to
    know. I researched hardcore. Almost everything I thought and felt was right,
    was and is turning out to be darn close to what I had suspected. I have had
    many experiences with the supernatural. Including incidences with my
    grandparents. My Nephew is 9 years old. I am 41. My name is Daniel. My nephew
    is Daniel as well. He has been communicating with spirits and light beings
    since the age of 2. I am going to focus on his communication with My
    Grandparents. Little Daniel had never met my Grandfather. He passed before he was
    born. When my Grandmother passed my sisters and I and there kids were with her.
    I spent the last few of her mortal nights by her side. I witnessed the moments
    when my Grandfather would visit her. She would open her eyes from a deep sleep
    and at times almost a comatose state to acknowledge him and the closet door
    located behind the recliner I would sit and sleep in would open when he came
    and close when he left. It was the portal in the room. She told us on a
    Wednesday that Dan, My Grandfather was coming to take her home Friday at noon.
    She left us at 11:59 am. I didn’t doubt her for a minute. Her eyes were the
    most beautiful shade of blue that day. I closed her eyes and had my moment of
    sadness and loss, but felt soo good for her, because she was where she wanted
    to be and I knew I would see her again. Several years pass, my Grandparents
    house my second home, catches fire, and is no longer there. It’s hard for me to
    go there and look upon that hill and see “The HILL” No house, and
    lots of memories. Lots of them. A Few days later my sister is outside at her
    house, middle of the day, kids playing in the yard , Daniel, my nephew stops
    what he is doing looks up in the blue sky and informs his mother that Grandma
    and Poppy are here. My sister said Daniel didn’t blink and his eyes were a
    beautiful shade of blue and that he was, as she put it, in a trance like state.
    My Grandparents chose Daniel as the one to come through to, to communicate
    through and with an audience. They were talking to him and at the same time sending
    him loads of information. A conversation accompanied with a shower of messages.
    Daniel said to his mother, Poppy keeps saying “boy if i had a million
    dollars, if i had a million dollars”, and that Poppy is really funny and
    likes to tell jokes. Well you know what? Boy if I had million dollars was
    something Poppy used to say to my sisters and I when we were kids and was
    always telling jokes and on the look out for the next or newest joke to tell.
    Daniel didn’t know that prior to. He had up until that point, never met Poppy.
    Two statements my Grandparents made to Daniel that day, to this day, I cannot
    get out of my mind. Not that I want it out of my mind, but that it is so deeply
    profound and has a greater, deeper, growing, almost monumental message and
    meaning that fills me every day since. As a kid my Grandmother would come close
    to filling me with the fear of God. To the point I questioned almost everything
    I did, felt and thought, but knew God loved me and I loved him. I always felt
    he was a peaceful, all loving, unconditional God. A Super powered source of the
    most magnificent being that is in all of us whether we think so or not. We are
    all in different stages of soul development so I can understand that, when some
    others cannot. Poppy told Daniel to tell everyone “Heritage Trust to
    God” Grandma told Daniel to tell Everyone “Do not fear God” I
    forgot to mention how they appeared to Daniel in the yard that day. Daniel said
    they came flying down out of the sky on a two seater motorcycle and described
    my Grandmothers attire down to her shade of lipstick and my Grandfathers
    slicked back hair and suit color. My sister told Daniel to ask Poppy what his
    favorite food was. The answer, apples and oranges. He loved apples and oranges.
    I would be confident in saying he had an apple every day of his life that he
    was in my life on this earthly plane. Daniel asked Poppy if they could do any
    tricks. Poppy said we can do anything. Daniel asked him if he could make the
    wind blow. Poppy blew, and a gust of wind blasted through the trees and across
    the yard and then to a sudden still. No wind. He did it 4 times in a row. Blow
    Stop. Blow Stop. Daniel told his mother the moments Grandma was standing by her
    and kissing her hand. Every place Daniel said my Grandparents were standing and
    to take a picture, they appeared as Orbs in the photo, exactly where Daniel
    said they were standing. They told Daniel they would return the following day
    at 1:30 pm. The next day Daniel was on the floor in the living room playing his
    video games, his mother around the corner in the kitchen keeping an eye on him.
    Daniel put the controller down, got up and walked over to the front door,
    opened it and announced, “Grandma and Poppy are here” he said they
    parked their motorcycle at the end of the sidewalk. The sidewalk stops at the
    driveway. He let them in and had a visit. My sister said our dad pulled up in
    the driveway around 1:30 that day. She had no idea he was stopping over. His
    parents, our Grandparents did. Knowing Poppy he would have wanted to come
    flying down out of the sky on the coolest looking 2 seated motorcycle for
    Daniel. Daniel loves motorcycles, dirt bikes and four wheelers. In the
    50’s-60’s my grandparents had a tandem bike. For those of you who don’t know
    what that is , it’s a 2 seated bicycle.

    Be ready for the new and God Loves you.

    My grandmother has appeared several times since then. On one
    of her last visits she shared future and current world events with my nephew and I. My nephew
    who is still 10 years old, wrote the word anucreation.
    My grandmother was saying “anucreation”. She spelled it out. Not a new
    creation, but Anu Creation. Anu is
    responsible for creation. Anu is God,
    the Creator. I suggest everyone do some research on their own.

    Practice and Teach Peace,

    Daniel Teare

  67. judybrowni says:

    I live across the street from Santa Monica High School, so got to see the protest against the Phelps protest in real time.

    It was inspiring!

  68. BeccaM says:

    There’ve been more times than I care to remember when someone went out of their way to prepare Brussels sprouts with a meal. If I can get away with it without being noticed, I just don’t take any. But because lots of folks see them as special (and sometime expensive), the host makes a point of trying to get everyone to partake.

    Well, I try to be polite, and if the host is insisting, I’ll go ahead and take one sprout. And try to make myself eat it. Usually, I can choke it down and say something complimentary but insincere. On some rare occasions, I’ve thanked Anubis for providing a handy non-picky dog under the table.

  69. BeccaM says:

    No worries, Butch. We still luvs ya.

  70. UncleBucky says:

    I think he’s going to die.

  71. BeccaM says:

    Aye, there are quite a few foods I used to hate, but don’t anymore. I used to hate mushrooms — but I love them now. Asparagus is another.

  72. Butch1 says:

    It was my poor choice of words. My apologies to all the Wiccians and others whom I may have offended.

  73. Butch1 says:

    At least you have made an honest attempt to try them different ways. I have eaten them many ways where I didn’t like the way they were prepared.

  74. Butch1 says:

    I use the term loosely. They only use the term “church” for tax purposes. Do they actually have a real preacher? Which one of them pretends to be one?

  75. pappyvet says:

    I have no doubt but that the “god” he believes in does in fact HATE.

  76. pappyvet says:

    Believe me Butch ,if it were a coven there would be no god hates fags signs.
    Perfect love and perfect trust is what we try daily to achieve.

  77. PeteWa says:

    I used to have a similar issue with mushrooms when I was a child, there is a flavor in them that was horrifying to me, and I would try to explain it to my parents, but they wouldn’t listen.
    I was not in any way a fussy eater, there were lots of things I didn’t like but would still eat because we ate what was provided. but for them to know I hated mushrooms and they would still serve them to me I will never understand.
    the most bizarre thing though is that my taste buds changed as I grew up, the flavor that I used to hate so much faded as I went through my teen years, now I can’t taste it at all, and mushrooms are one of my favorite foods at this point.
    but that odd, unpleasant flavor in brussel sprouts, mangoes and papaya remains…

  78. BeccaM says:

    I’m usually fine with bell peppers and broccoli, but prefer them raw or, at most, very lightly steamed or stir-fried.

    However, if overcooked, I have a problem with both of those — peppers and broccoli — as well as cauliflower. Then the bitterness rises quickly to “can’t eat it”.

  79. BeccaM says:

    I don’t like papaya either. It tastes similar to, but not quite as terrible, as mangoes.

    But yes, you’re right: I know for a fact that a properly harvested Brussels sprout, cooked very lightly (i.e., not overdone) is not nearly as horrific as the ones harvested before a frost and then cooked badly. However, it’s still only the difference between “gagging with every bite” versus “excuse me while I go throw up.”

    It is so incredibly weird how a person can say, “I loathe everything about how that tastes” — only to have others insist it was merely prepared incorrectly.

  80. BeccaM says:

    I’ve had them every which way, Butch. It literally does not matter.

    Boiled. Broiled, Braised. Lightly fried in butter and garlic. Baked. Breaded. Battered and deep-fried. Even raw.

    It’s the spout, not how it’s cooked.

  81. BeccaM says:

    I doubt I could make it, or would want to, but just let me know where to ship the carton of Fig Newtons and jars of stewed prunes.

  82. BeccaM says:

    I don’t think I’d agree. Not even close.

    For one, we don’t do excommunications.

  83. afafkd says:

    always about the dollar

  84. crazymonkeylady says:

    God Hates Morphine!

  85. vickif says:

    I hate brussel sprouts. Yuck.

  86. crazymonkeylady says:

    Praise Zeus!

  87. crazymonkeylady says:

    Not a protest. A Gay Pride Parade where Everyone is invited to celebrate!

  88. Butch1 says:

    Don’t forget Kerry Gold butter.

  89. Butch1 says:

    If they are over-cooked they are bitter, BeccaM. The same problem happens with broccoli when it is over-cooked. It becomes limp and bitter tasting.

  90. Butch1 says:

    It depends upon how they are prepared. ;-)

  91. Butch1 says:

    They hunt for gay sites so they can attack them. Why are they so interested in gays? Well, it’s that latent desire they can not extinguish that they continue to struggle with. ;-)

  92. Butch1 says:

    You would be one of those few things. Now continue with your drive-by.

  93. Butch1 says:

    It’s interesting how many lawyers are in their coven.

  94. Butch1 says:

    Yes, it’s more a coven than a church.

  95. Butch1 says:

    Perhaps he wasn’t “hating” enough for them, so he was given the boot. ;-

  96. Butch1 says:

    If he takes rebirth, what he hates the most could be his rebirth to have to live that life to experience. It would be something he sorely needs. Perhaps he would learn something from it in his next life and be able to move on.

  97. Butch1 says:

    Perhaps his funeral should be protested as well by every gay person and their straight friends within 500 miles.

  98. UFIA says:

    Are peppers and broccoli disgustingly bitter to you also?


  99. UFIA says:

    Fred, sauteed with garlic?

    No. Still not.

  100. Bj Lincoln says:

    His daughter took over years ago so not much is going to change when he goes to his special place in Hell reserved for those who abused their religion to hurt others. He was a cruel. mean and nasty person who probably suffered from a hyppocampus abnormality that a resent study claims may be the reason for a mental illness that causes religious zealotry. I am NOT excusing him or any other zealot. I have been saying for years how the Bible is used as a shield for the mentally ill and now science may concur. I hope this is true and laws are made against giving money to these mentally disturbed people.

  101. UFIA says:

    I’m almost certain you didn’t mean to upvote/like illiill’s comment. =]

  102. JLSR says:

    I LOVE it!!!! What a fabulous idea!!!!!

  103. SFExPat says:

    Please let’s not. Save our rage instead for the bigots who still live.
    And we are better than they.

  104. tedhayes says:

    As Mrs. Eliot, when irritated, used to say to her son: “T. S.”

  105. Mike W. says:

    Which God are you sheep talking about? If it’s Yahweh then say so. Quit pretending your “God” is the only one. There’s thousands just as made up as yours.

  106. As much as Matthew Wayne Shepard would want to welcome Phelps to heaven, he’s probably glad he won’t. Phelps’ heaven is hell, and his hatred will be his punishment. God does not condemn us, we condemn ourselves!

  107. MichaelS says:

    PLEASE I hope some groups are planning to protest his funeral, with signs like “GOD HATES BIGOTS” and “HOPE YOU ENJOY HELL.”

  108. Indigo says:

    Were it to happen that he takes rebirth, it’s deeply likely that he will in that future life be done onto as he did unto in the lifetime. If he’s lucky, his spirit form will evaporate and that’d be the end of that. May the memory of him, once he’s gone, be an expression of the traditional bigot, a hate-monger of the 19th century Miskatonic University’s School of Evil Spells, a Cthulhu bound in the deepest pit.

  109. AnitaMann says:

    My guess is, he was too big of an asshole even for his asshole followers. Whatever, who cares. I don’t believe in heaven or hell. He made his own hell on earth.

  110. angryspittle says:

    Adios asshole.

  111. FLL says:

    The story of the transformative event Fred Phelps experienced when he was 17 years old! (It’s all over the Internet.) Phelps was in the Boy Scouts in high school and was earnestly preparing to join the military. After graduating high school, he was admitted to West Point Academy. Until that point, Phelps had never mentioned gay people, in either a positive or negative way. Then suddenly… during his first year at West Point… the transformative event, after which he decided to become a preacher. As told by Lauren Drain, former Westboro Baptist member:

    “and now he had this whole crusade against sexual immorality. … And it was after this event.”

    The time frame makes sense. If Phelps was born in 1929, he would have been 17 and in his first year at West Point Academy in 1946—just when newly aware gay and bisexual men who had met each other in the military were coming home. 1946—just when America was starting to get a bit frisky, just when the famous Beat Generation trio of Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsburg and Lucien Carr were hanging out with each other. So what was Phelps’ transformative event that turned him into a gay-hating preacher?! I could lapse into crude humor, but I think the moderators would prefer if I didn’t go there. :)

  112. PeteWa says:

    Becca… mangoes… ugh.
    I feel the same about papaya, and I grew up in Hawaii.
    I’ve always enjoyed mango chutney though.
    as for your hatred of Brussels, I understand as I was not a fan growing up, but I will say this for them: if you harvest them after the first frost they are much, much better (although I doubt better enough for you lol).

  113. BeccaM says:

    By the way, I loved the photo of Bender the Robot from Futurama.

    All glory to the Hypnotoad!

  114. Houndentenor says:

    The entire church is basically their extended family so being excommunicated is kind of hilarious.

  115. Houndentenor says:

    There’s plenty more of that family. One attention whore gone but plenty more desperate for our attention. I wish everyone would agree to ignore them, but that I guess that’s not going to happen.

  116. BeccaM says:

    I’m fine with cilantro — but I have a friend who says the same thing about it tasting like soap.

  117. StraightGrandmother says:

    Oh, you think somebody cleaning found his gay porn?

  118. barada says:

    For non-gays, the Gay Community is as threatening as Chess Club. I will never understand how people feel threatened by something that does not impinge on them in any way. Gay people do not pursue or threaten non-gay people, ever. If soneone feels “threatened” by the Gay Community, then THEY must be pursuing gays in some way, not the other way around.

  119. barada says:

    Clairol Jesus is awesome!

  120. barada says:

    Actually, I believe the Rapture already happened, and all of the GOOD Christians have already been called. It’s funny how few Christians went anywhere during The Rapture.

  121. Bomer says:

    I don’t mind sprouts or cabbage, but I can’t stand coleslaw. I also wont eat anything with cilantro in it because it tastes like soap.

  122. barada says:

    If there’s a Hell, he’s going there, via express flight.

  123. 2karmanot says:

    Disqus is evil and must die—-like Fred Phelps.

  124. sbstarlite says:

    Phelps obviously does as he has been living in his own hell here on earth.

  125. sbstarlite says:

    May it be a long and painful death so he can remember all the hate he brought into the world with each agonizing breath.

  126. 2karmanot says:

    “Twinks?” Really? You are about 20 years behind the times troll, or maybe visiting Thailand too often.

  127. bbock says:

    Is it too much to ask that they becomes a suicide cult? When Fred croaks they all put on their Nikes, get correct change and enjoy a big ol’ glass of rat poison.

  128. 2karmanot says:


  129. 2karmanot says:

    Hell hath no fury like a bigot scorned!

  130. bbock says:

    I do hope a lovely memorial is held when he kicks the bucket. I wan’t to see rainbow flag signs with “GOD HATES FREDS” on them.

  131. 2karmanot says:

    Cabbage—-sort of like one-nite stands, who smell like sulfur the next day.

  132. BeccaM says:

    No idea why Fred was supposedly excommunicated from his own hate-cult. A search of the intertoobz says the remaining church refuses to comment on it.

  133. BeccaM says:

    Yeah, but the decor is always so incredibly tacky. Velvet paintings of Hunky Aryan Jesus, gold-plated everything… it’d take the entire crew of Queer Eye to make it tolerable.

  134. The_Fixer says:

    It might be wrong, but I find myself hoping for a painful passing for this horrible person.

    Interesting that he was excommunicated. I wonder what the circumstances were and just what excommunication from an inbred cult involves. You’re no longer permitted to hate?

    There are equally hard-heated people in the family who could take over for a while. But I don’t see this church lasting very much longer.

  135. Webster says:

    When Joan Crawford died and they told Bette Davis, she reportedly replied, My mother told me to only speak good of the dead. Joan Crawford is dead. Good.

    You may extrapolate my feelings from that anecdote…

  136. Thom Allen says:

    Some are suggesting that he let it be known that he is bi/gay. THAT would have gotten him excommunicated. If he did indeed say that, I’d be amazed if they hadn’t killed him. So, maybe he hit in a grandSON. But it could be for other things. They were keeping him away from the press. Maybe he was revealing secrets about the “church.” Mayne old Shirley was embezzling and Fred found out. Who knows, there’s so much rampant mental illness there it could be almost anything.

  137. Phil says:

    Probably so the surviving members of his clan can cheap out on funeral expenses and let the county/state bury him, or as a way to avoid his funeral being picketed. Westboro Baptist Church can state they excommunicated him, so why are you people picketing us?

    Maybe they should just leave him for the buzzards.

  138. BeccaM says:

    Honestly: Mangoes with sticky rice would, for me, be an experience like eating bitter dirt with rice.

    I remember while over in India — where mangoes are very common and lots of people love ’em — how I thought for sure I’d like mangoes. I tried some and thought, “I must’ve gotten a bad one or something.” Tried another in different meal, and had the same experience. Then I simply bought a fresh mango at a fruit market and tried that one.

    Then I realized it wasn’t the mango, it was me. Like I said above, there’s obviously something weird about my taste buds, in that I taste gag-reflex level bitterness where everybody else tastes only sweetness or subtle savory flavors.

  139. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Oh hon, not mangoes! They’re great with sticky rice. You have my condolences on that one.

  140. BeccaM says:

    I’ve tried them every which way. Honestly, there’s something weird about my taste buds that makes me absolutely loathe everything related to cabbage, but especially those things — like sprouts — which seem to concentrate the cabbage-y awfulness.

    Don’t even get me started on coleslaw and how everybody has a recipe they’re sure I’ll simply love. I always just ask this question, “Does it include cabbage?” “Why yes, it wouldn’t be coleslaw without cabbage.” “Then I guarantee I’ll hate it. No offense to you or your Aunt Tilly who invented the recipe or whatever.”

    BTW, I’m also apparently among the few who also hate mangoes. I don’t know how the hell people can eat ’em. They’re like eating dirt.

  141. kuanyinguy says:

    This group is truly a death worshipping cult, almost like the Kali cult in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. (No offense to legitimate Kali worshippers.) Perhaps the Phelps clan’s beliefs come from their very mythology which worships the tortuous death of a man elevated into a god. The birth (especially Catholics) and death (especially evangelicals) part of his story are all they focus on, but what about those boring years in between? In their view, Jesus must have been harassing, picketing, making money, threatening with weapons, and terrorizing women, gays, and non believers until his early demise.

    Perhaps their doubt about their own mythology is assuaged just a little by persuading a few people to follow their demented philosophy. Nothing quite relieves the anxiety of possibly being wrong than converting others to your unstable beliefs.

    The Phelps clan are grifters from day one. In a way, he has done gay people a service by uniting us against him, but he would have done better to have remembered his dead leader’s new admonition: This is my commandment, that ye love one another, even as I have loved you.” Maybe Phelps will get a lesson now that it’s too late for repentance by acts.

  142. TheOriginalLiz says:

    sautéed with garlic, really? How can you not love anything sautéed with garlic? ;-)

  143. BeccaM says:

    I’m not ashamed to admit I hate Brussels Sprouts. Then again, I dislike just about everything incorporating the cabbage family. But especially sprouts, which have this horrible bitterness.

    Bring on da ban-hamma, honey. ;-)

  144. TheOriginalLiz says:

    I really think you should ban posters who disrespect brussel sprouts.

  145. TheOriginalLiz says:

    Really makes me wish I believed in hell.

  146. Naja pallida says:

    The guy spent a lifetime condemning me and my friends to hell, the only thing I have to say is: You first.

  147. StraightGrandmother says:


  148. StraightGrandmother says:

    Sexually Hit on a Granddaughter would be my guess.
    Look how he beat his wife and what he believed about women, sexually hitting on a graddaughter is totally within form for him.

  149. BeccaM says:

    Well, I noticed the behavior in particular in this thread:

    39 comments on the front page, then as of about an hour ago, only about 15 or so displayed. I had several comments in that post that just stopped displaying. However, when I used the Disqus widget to change the “Sort by” filter, they suddenly reappeared. And when I put it back to my preferred setting which is “Sort by Newest” they stayed.

    For what it’s worth, until about an hour or two ago, I didn’t even know that our recently banned guest-troll had posted twice. I only saw the comment (and sub-comment replies) beginning with ‘Few things are…’

  150. StraightGrandmother says:

    No Western Medical, or psychological or social science professional organization agrees with you.
    Homosexuality is on the NORMAL scale of human sexuality, just not many of them is all.

  151. cole3244 says:

    i wonder if fred will have the courage to come out and clear the air so everyone knows the hypocrisy of his stance on gay rights?

    also maybe the inbreeding in the church will stop now so ignorance and stupidity aren’t the main ingredient the church has to offer to the world.

  152. Moderator3 says:

    Since you guys know what is missing, contact DISQUS or give us the information so we can contact DISQUS. I would be curious to see if they reappear within 24 hours.

  153. StraightGrandmother says:

    I read that, it shows what a TRUE MONSTER Fred Phelps is.
    I won’t mourn him.
    He musta hit on a granddaughter to get ex-communicated, don’t you think?

  154. BeccaM says:

    Sometimes I daydream…


    “Yes Fred?”

    “You know how we were always talking about the Rapture and Jesus returning and all that?”

    *heavy sigh* “Yeah, I know, I know…”

    “I always thought the Rapture wouldn’t have involves so many gaping, lava-filled chasms and that the vertical displacement would’ve been in the other direction.”

    “Phelps, you moron — you say that every day here. Now shut up and hand me that strap-on before Belial shows up and flays us both. It’s your turn to be the bottom.”

  155. Sameboat1 says:

    Or a priest, or a “youth minister”.

  156. 2karmanot says:

    He’ll be reborn as David Vitter’s diaper for all eternity or better, a toilet in Grand Central Station.

  157. labman57 says:

    If ever there was a person who deserved that “special place in hell” …

  158. Thom Allen says:

    Yeah, I’ve seen the same things. The number of comments displayed in the header is almost always wrong. Either higher than the number of comments, or lower.

  159. Thom Allen says:

    If they all get raptured, you can get a house in their compound and a car, too.

  160. BeccaM says:

    Disqus has been acting really weird lately, the last week or two, including dropping comments and/or simply not displaying them.

    Half the time, the Disqus header will say something like “x-number comments” — but the only display some of them. And I don’t think it’s comments getting dumped into the moderation queue.

    Or some comments will be up, then suddenly disappear upon page refresh.

  161. 2karmanot says:

    Cuz Bart Simpson said it.

  162. 2karmanot says:

    Same here

  163. PeteWa says:

    It’s always sad when someone like Phelps falls ill and nears his end.
    I had hoped he would live forever.
    In Pain.

  164. 2karmanot says:

    Fred, you are just amazing. Where do you get the strength in these final hours. Oh, because—Satan?

  165. 2karmanot says:

    God? ppppfffttt Eternal damnation? Hopefully old Phelps will get back to us on that one in a few days.

  166. 2karmanot says:

    ROTFL!!!! Except that light is glowing red hot.

  167. 2karmanot says:

    That last one is hilarious. Or, bumpkin guys, who wear mullets and don’t realize that lesbians stopped wearing them back in the seventies.

  168. 2karmanot says:

    I’s be happy to convince you other wise—-bend over.

  169. 2karmanot says:

    There will be a long line, but worth the wait.

  170. bkmn says:

    It might be worth a trip to take a crap on his grave.

  171. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    I hope they leave their keys in their automobiles. I need a new one.

  172. Moderator3 says:

    I’m confused. There were no comments deleted from this thread.

  173. Thom Allen says:

    Maybe Fred and his followers will all be Raptured at the same time.

  174. Thom Allen says:

    Thanks. I was just trying to give her a comparison to help the dolt figure out that she might be a little off base about her use of “twinks.” Shirley isn’t too bright.

  175. emjayay says:

    Mmmmmmmmm, Brussel sprouts.

  176. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    “Twinks? Honey, calling us twinks is like us calling you beautiful.”

    That was so beautiful that it brought tears to my eyes.

  177. Sameboat1 says:

    He doesn’t know what a twink is, John. He just heard it somewhere. Pretty sure he didn’t read it.

  178. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Those shirts are called wife beaters. Nice, huh? There’s no explanation for Brussel sprouts, and I’m vegan.

  179. emjayay says:

    Not that facts are likely to be an effective rebuttal to you, but on the question “Should society accept homosexuality” there are majorities saying yes in Canada, USA, Spain, Germany, Czech Republic, France, Britain, Italy, Greece, Poland, Australia, Philippines, Japan, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Brazil, and Venezuela.

    Or maybe you go with public opinion in the countries most disapproving: Nigeria, Tunisia, Pakistan, Senegal, Ghana, Indonesia, Jordan, and Egypt.

  180. Thom Allen says:

    Oh, Shirley, we know that you’re upset about Fred getting ready to burn in hell. Just get a grip before you faint, lil missy. You’re gonna have to pull yourself together cause lost of folks are gonna picket at Fred’s funeral. Twinks? Honey, calling us twinks is like us calling you beautiful.

    The vast majority of the human population? Majority of Americans? You mean like this majority? Oh, Shirl, you mean like this? The White Man March where so many of your supporters showed up? All two of them? And you couldn’t go, girl, cause you’re not a man. Damn, two disasters for you in as many days. Poor thing.

  181. Moderator3 says:

    Oh, I really wanted to do that. :(

  182. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    i bet he does.

  183. Twinks? You like twinks?

  184. Indigo says:

    That’s actually worse; he could easily be reborn as a gay kid in Russia, abducted and beaten to death by the year 2035.

  185. BeccaM says:

    Oh, I never doubted it for a second. :-)

  186. Already got em :) But I left the post up for fun :)

  187. And I can think of a few things. Protesting the funeral of a 9 year old girl. Annexing another country. Brussel sprouts. And those really low-hanging tank tops that rednecks and buff gay guys like to wear.

  188. BeccaM says:

    Enjoy the ban-hammer.

  189. Move away from the keyboard, Fred, and go into the light….

  190. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Man, you really want it, don’t you?

  191. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Well, he is in his mid-eighties. I’m certain he knows death is a possibility. I agree that he has done a lot for the LGBTs, but don’t worry, Shirley is still there.

  192. iliill says:

    Few things are as disgusting as homosexuality … the majority agrees …

  193. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Twinks? Maybe thirty years ago. Vast majority? The polls don’t show that, but I guess it makes you happy to think that.

    It reads as if you need a little same sex sex. Go ahead and make yourself happy.

  194. BeccaM says:

    I believe in karma.

  195. BeccaM says:

    In a way, I feel the same way you do, John.

    I appreciated how these Westboro loons were willing — nay, indeed eager — to make absolutely event about how much they hated LGBT people to the point they literally wanted us to be executed.

    I mean, it takes a special commitment to hate to show up at scenes of tragedy, such as disasters, funerals, hospitals or solidarity commemorations, and hold up signs to claim every bad thing that ever happens is because America won’t round up and kill every LGBT person in existence.

    Nathan Phelps says:

    Terribly ironic that his devotion to his god ends this way

    Yeah, well, Fred Phelps god was hatred itself. A god based not on love, but on cruelty, punishment, pain and lies. I should think some of the more kind-hearted and open-minded Christians will recognize that particular ‘god’.

    The problem, of course, is that which the Westboro haters willing to shout aloud is the same hate that lies in the heart of anybody who believes that every ‘unrepentant’ gay person is doomed to an eternity of torment.

    An expert witness in Michigan’s gay marriage trial said he believed homosexuals would go to hell if they don’t repent. (…)

    “Is it accurate that you believe the consequence of engaging in homosexual acts is a separation from God and eternal damnation. In other words, they’re going to hell?” Mogill asked.

    Allen answered, “Without repentance, yes.”


    There is no middle ground, no accommodation to be made, as Andrew Sullivan would try to insist we LGBTs make (otherwise be accused of being bullies), with those who think being gay is a sin worthy of eternal damnation and punishment.

  196. MyrddinWilt says:

    DOMA and Fred Phelps had the opposite effect to the one the haters intended.

    Before DOMA it was considered OK to be a Democrat and vote for hate. Not any longer. Notice has been served that we don’t need any seat so badly that we will put up with a bigot.

    I don’t think Phelps so much helped gay rights as hurting the bigots and making the people standing up to them look good. Especially when he started to realize that the anti-gay protests weren’t getting him the publicity he craves any longer and started to protest military funerals.

    It is going to be really interesting seeing what happens next. I rather suspect that the ‘church’ is going to implode without its founder. And there are rather a lot of Phelps who have left the church over the years. So its going to become easier for people to leave the cult.

    This is not how I expected it to end though. I thought it most likely that Fred Phelps would do a David Koresh or Jimmy Jones and take his supporters with him to heaven. Of course he might have tried to do just that and thats why he was excommunicated.

  197. I want to know why he was excommunicated and is being kept silent? Did he change his views on gays at the last minute?

  198. Sameboat1 says:

    I know what you mean. A special place…

  199. Sameboat1 says:

    I certainly think his funeral should be picketed, with signs like “God hates bigots”.

  200. ericxdc says:

    you’re funny in that pathetic sort of way you do so well.

  201. Sameboat1 says:

    Homosexuality is as normal as breathing air. The same air that you breathe, bigot.

  202. iliill says:

    Nothing has changed twinks …
    Homosexuality is still wrong and the vast majority of the human population agrees that it is nothing more than a sexual deviance …
    Get over yourselves and keep it away from the kids or face the majority of Americans who are quite fed up with hearing about this small slice of humanity that cant seem to get right.

  203. Thom Allen says:

    Jon Bell, a journalist, wrote what was supposed to have been a book on Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church. (It was stopped by some legal wrangling.) He interviewed some of the family members, both those still in the church and those who left. It’s a very good piece. It goes into Fred’s upbringing and his early years. Even then he showed this spitefulness and hate before he focused on gays. It delves into the physical and emotional abuse that he showered his wife and children with daily. How he made them steal and what an outrageous crook he was. A master manipulator.

    Bell’s account is here and available to read or download for free. It’s fascinating in a somewhat horrible way. But it gives insight into the “church,” his beliefs, hate and his children.

  204. Jet Gardner says:

    I shall mourn his passage…
    no one made the religious right look like bigger ignorant fools than he did.

  205. S1AMER says:

    This is almost enough to make me wish there was a god, so She could give him exactly what he deserves through all eternity.

  206. zerosumgame0005 says:

    That’s what happens when you celebrate hate Fred. I have no sympathy for him at all.

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