IL GOP chair lobbying for gay marriage, Catholic bigots opposing

Illinois Republican party chair Pat Brady is making phone calls in favor of the upcoming gay marriage vote in the state.

The Catholic church, on the other hand, is lobbying to kill love, all the while claiming they’re doing it for the children!  Yeah, when the Catholic church comes clean about its decades of aiding and abetting the rape of small children, and then abusing children who tried to come forward about the sexual abuse they were suffering at the hands of Catholic priests, then we’ll listen to what the Catholic church has to say about the best interests of children.

Richard Socarides has more about Illinois’ upcoming gay marriage debate, that could start as early as today.  Via the New Yorker:

Right now, advocates plan to hold a State Senate hearing on the legislation as soon as later today, January 2nd, and the bill could be voted on by the full chamber on Thursday, January 3rd. The State House of Representatives would then have through Wednesday, January 8th, to pass the bill during the lame-duck session. Advocates are confident that they have the votes in the State Senate and feel that they are “within striking distance” in the House, according to a source close to the situation. Governor Quinn has said that he would sign the law. Although advocates want to get a vote now, during the lame-duck session, because they feel a win is likely, the new legislature being sworn in on January 9th has a supermajority of Democratic members who would also presumably favor of the legislation.

Even President Obama weighed in on the issue a few days ago, in support of gay marriage.  From the Chicago Sun-Times:

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“While the president does not weigh in on every measure being considered by state legislatures, he believes in treating everyone fairly and equally, with dignity and respect,” White House spokesman Shin Inouye told the Chicago Sun-Times on Saturday.

“As he has said, his personal view is that it’s wrong to prevent couples who are in loving, committed relationships, and want to marry, from doing so. Were the President still in the Illinois State Legislature, he would support this measure that would treat all Illinois couples equally,” Inouye said.

This is not insignificant. The President provides cover for a lot of Democrats on this issue.

And I have to say I’m impressed that the GOP party chair, Pat Brady, is also weighing in.  That’s not insignificant either, especially when the national party remains awful on so many of our issues.  Here’s what he had to say, via the Chicago Sun-Times:

“More and more Americans understand that if two people want to make a lifelong commitment to each other, government should not stand in their way,” Brady said. “Giving gay and lesbian couples the freedom to get married honors the best conservative principles. It strengthens families and reinforces a key Republican value – that the law should treat all citizens equally.”

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27 Responses to “IL GOP chair lobbying for gay marriage, Catholic bigots opposing”

  1. Jim Olson says:

    True. Evangelical in this case is not code for conservative/literal theology; though there is a broad diversity of theological interpretation in the ELCA. Luther himself did not like that within his lifetime, some groups were calling themselves “Lutherans”. And I attend an ELCA church that is open and welcoming and progressive.

  2. rmthunter says:

    He’s an Illinois Republican. The real wingnuts have a short shelf-life here.

  3. KP says:

    This is the most disgusting news I have gotten in 2013. The IL GOP chair is breaking the IL and national GOP platform. No wonder the GOP is so worthless. What a pathetic excuse for a leader.

  4. FLL says:

    I think the Lutherans are the only denomination that has used the word “evangelical” for centuries. They are progressive in the U.S. and über progressive in Germany and Scandinavia. EKD in Germany: Evangelische Kirche in Deutschland, which means the Lutheran churches in Germany. I know it’s confusing for Americans to see the word “evangelical” used that way.

  5. emjayay says:

    Hey wait, everyone knows that all over the world through all of human history marriage is when a man and a woman freely choose each other to be symbolically bound together for a lifetime or until they change their minds and not have more than one woman in the relationship or more than one man and have equal rights except the man has a little more say in things and the woman does more housework but they both have jobs somewhere else and live in a house in a subdivision often thousands of miles from anyone they are related to and have only a passing acquaintance with other people in the subdivision. It’s what God intended.

  6. emjayay says:

    That’s Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. I looked it up:

    Seems like three big Lutheran groups got together in 1988 to form a supergroup and became the biggest Lutheran denomination in the US. Odd that they put “evangelical” in their name, which makes them sound like the holy roller cracker types, when they are apparently generally fairly progressive.

  7. Blogvader says:

    Is it just me, or does that guy actually sound like a real Republican? (Not the radical conservative modern Republicans, but a real Republican.)

  8. rmthunter says:

    This is significant — for the GOP to weigh in in favor of passage is a biggie. The Catholic Church? Meh — what did anyone expect? I’m surprised that after the adoption services debacle, the Church is making this much noise. Well, not really — the bishops sort of have to toe the line, even though no one is listening.

  9. rmthunter says:

    So you think you should be able to impose your religious definition of marriage on everyone.

    “Marriage generates children.” No, people generate children — I haven’t noticed that they need a marriage license to do so. The whole “procreation” argument got blown out of the water in the Prop 8 trial — not that it ever had much validity to start with. There’s no shortage of children — the problem is finding stable, supportive homes for them, which same-sex couples are as well able to provide as anyone else.

    Try this definition, which actually does seem to hold true throughout human history: Marriage is the recognition by the community of the establishment of a new household, and of the new status in the community of the married couple.

  10. rmthunter says:

    Science doesn’t deal with “Why” — it deals with “How?” So religion does have a legitimate purview. It’s just that it’s not regulating the lives of non-believers.

  11. UncleBucky says:

    One big step will be when they are taxed as any other business. Income, inheritance, property and usage taxes.

  12. UncleBucky says:

    “Marriage generates children”

    Really? How?

  13. mwestport says:

    “Both reason and faith” tells me that marriage is a legal contract subject to the judicial system
    that confers hundreds of legal freebees on mixed gender couples but
    denies them to same gendered couples. Show me where those laws define
    marriage by requirements of childbearing. Do you think Gay people will
    stop raising their children if you deny us marriage rights? Most of the
    same sex couple I know are raising children. Reason and faith tell me that inequality harms their families and is by extension, a detriment to society. If some people that you do not know (or like) get a marriage license it will not affect you rights or privileges in any way.
    To do otherwise is discrimination, which can only be based in personal
    religious dogma or animus towards an unpopular minority group.

  14. Max_1 says:

    That ANY religious institution should have an undue influence upon HOW the Governance of this Nation is done, the Laws that are crafted and/or implemented flies in the face of the Separation Clause and should be shunned by ALL as truly un-American!

  15. Max_1 says:

    Jesus condemned Religious Leaders who show their flock the way TO the Gates of His Father’s Kingdom all the while planning on locking the flock out! He said they’re making their way to Hell!

    I hear Red Prada shoes melt…

  16. Max_1 says:



  17. timothy canezaro says:

    The state of Illinois should not attempt to redefine marriage. It is not bigotry or discrimination to treat different things differently. Marriage is unique in that one of its central components is sexual difference. Same-sex couples lack this essential difference and cannot procreate or provide both a mother and a father to children. Both reason and faith tell us that the marriage of one man and one woman calls forth the best of spouses, not only for their own sake, but also for the well-being of their children and for the advancement of the common good. Marriage generates children, is an ideal environment for raising them and is the basic building block for any human society. In the end, it is neither possible for us to change the definition of marriage, without forfeiting its meaning, nor wise to attempt to do so. Vote “no” on the redefinition of marriage!

  18. Jim Olson says:

    ELCA too. They’ve evolved, at least at the national level. And of course, the Unitarians.

  19. Jim Olson says:

    Was just interviewed for NBCChicago 10 p.m. news on this issue.

  20. karmanot says:

    At the end of the day science has come up with a reason for the Vatican and the Mormon Church: The evolution of toxic virus. The second oldest profession is after all, religion. These agencies should be taxed without exception.

  21. Phil says:

    Me too, as well as my place of birth and current residence. The Catholic church has historically wielded tremendous political influence in Illinois, and especially in Chicago. This political influence has been on the wane over the past few years, but it is still not to be underestimated. Somehow, I don’t think Cardinal George et. al. have gotten the memo about waning political influence. It probably has something to do with the pedophile priest scandal, declining memberships, and even many practicing catholics not wanting much to do with “the church” (and in Chicago “the church” means the roman catholic church).

  22. 2patricius2 says:

    I’m rooting for passage. Illinois is my home state.

  23. Zorba says:

    Myrddin, what peeves me about any religion, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc, is when they try to impose their doctrines on the rest of society. Whether it is about who can marry whom, the status of women in their societies, or whatever.

  24. MyrddinWilt says:

    What peeves me about the Catholic and Mormon churches is not their religious doctrines but their attempts to inflict them on the rest of society.

    At the end of the day science is likely to come up with an answer to every question about the nature of the universe except one which is the reason that there is a universe at all. Which is where religion comes in. Such a pity that religion merely replaces that unanswerable question with the new unanswerable question of why God exists.

  25. Zorba says:

    The Greek Orthodox Church in America is not under the Orthodox Church of Greece, it’s under the Ecumenical Patriarchate (in what is now Istanbul, but they persist in referring to it as Constantinople. And don’t ask why all this is so- Orthodox political machinations are still Byzantine). But the Greek Orthodox Church in America is, indeed, as opposed to gay marriage as the Vatican, as are all the other Eastern Orthodox churches. They’re just not as noisy about it, nor do they get as much media play as the Roman Catholics, given that there are not as many Eastern Orthodox in this country as there are Roman Catholics.
    So go all media war against them, too. And the Mormons, Southern Baptists, and all the other so-called Christians. Except, perhaps, for the United Church of Christ, Quakers, some Episcopalians, and maybe a few others, here and there. But they’re rare.

  26. FLL says:

    John, since you’ve mentioned the Eastern Orthodox clergy before, I got curious. Here’s the summary from Wikipedia:

    Responding to government proposals in 2008 to introduce legal rights for cohabiting couples, Archbishop Ieronymos II of Athens, the leader of the autocephalous Orthodox Church of Greece, suggested that “There is a need to change with the time”. It is unclear, however, whether this view applied to same-sex couples, particularly as the Church has previously opposed gay rights in general and civil union laws in particular.

    As far as the Roman Catholic Church, I think an all-out media war against the Vatican is called for.

  27. Phil says:

    Countdown to Religious Right head explosion: 3 – 2 – 1…….

    Honestly, I never thought I’d live to see the day!

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