Anti-gay top UK Cardinal O’Brien resigns after gay harassment allegations

UPDATE: UK Catholic Cardinal Keith O’Brien, the top Catholic official in the UK, and recently accused by 3 current and one former priest of “inappropriate behavior” towards them, which included “inappropriate contact” after a long-night of drinking, has resigned.  He’s also given notice that he won’t be heading to Rome to help pick the next Pope.


I can’t think of when a Catholic cardinal actually stood up and did the right thing involving any of these ongoing child-rape scandals.  I’ll give him credit for at least that.


He’s the top UK Catholic Cardinal. He’s really anti-gay.  And he stands accused by 3 current priests, and one former priest, of being not just a big gay – but a big sexually-harassing gay.  He’s Britain’s Cardinal Keith O’Brien.

And of course, Cardinal O’Brien should be heading to Rome soon to join the other cardinals in selecting the next Pope, and you can pretty much guarantee that the Catholics won’t bar him from the proceedings.  Hell, it’s practically a badge of honor among this crowd.

I did some research on Cardinal O’Brien, and he was considered “liberal” until 2005 or so, especially on gay issues. That year, O’Brien rebuked a Catholic bishop for saying gays shouldn’t be permitted to teach in Catholic schools: “I don’t have a problem with the personal life of a person as long as they are not flaunting their sexuality.” A rather gutsy comment for a Catholic leader.

But then, something changed.  Wikipedia has the details:

Cardinal Keith O'Brien

Cardinal Keith O’Brien via Wikipedia/

In May 2005 he told members of the Scottish Parliament that homosexuals were “captives of sexual aberrations”, comparing homosexuals to prisoners in Saughton jail. In January 2006 he criticised Westminster MPs over the introduction of civil partnerships in the UK, and Holyrood members over the liberalisation of divorce laws in Scotland, In July 2006 he opposed proposals to change the law which would require Catholic adoption agencies to place children with homosexuals in the same way as with heterosexuals, calling them totalitarian.[dubious – discuss] In 2011 he criticised “aggressive secularism” denouncing what he claimed was the way Christians had been prevented from acting in accordance with their beliefs because they refuse to endorse such lifestyles.

On 5 March 2012, O’Brien criticised the concept of same-sex marriage on BBC Radio 4, saying it would shame the United Kingdom and that promoting such things would degenerate society further.

So it’s not clear if the lady doth protest too much, whether Cardinal O’Brien felt it politically convenient to have an anti-gay change of heart, whether he had a sincere change of heart, or what.

What we do know is that three current priests, and one former priest, claim that Cardinal O’Brien exhibited “inappropriate behavior” towards them, and at least one claims “inappropriate contact.”  At least one of the men was 18 years old at the time.

If past is prologue, don’t expect Cardinal O’Brien or the Vatican to do the right thing and abstain from going to Rome to select the new Pope.  Let’s face it.  This is a church that is willing to aid and abet the rape of young children, and then sees no problem in not fully addressing these crimes after the fact.  The fact that a Catholic Cardinal may have sexually harassed and/or had gay relations with an 18 year old seminarian is hardly going to make waves with people who shrug over child-rape.

Speaking of shrugging over child rape, another Cardinal on the “is he heading to Rome” watch-list is former Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles.  You’ll recall that church documents claim that Mahony helped shield child molester priests. Mahony then turned around and asked God to forgive his accusers for saying such bad things about him (mind you, his accusers were Catholic church documents).  Then a few days ago, Mahony said he was being scapegoated, and compared himself to Jesus on the cross, who, at last accounting, was not known to have aided and abetted pedophiles.

Let me revisit briefly the rest of the recent history of the Catholic leadership in not addressing its ongoing sex problems.  It’s all the more evidence that nothing will be done to address these accusations against Mahony, since nothing is every done sufficiently to address the moral failings of the Catholic church’s immoral leadership:

Pope-to-be Ratzinger blames victims

The most obvious person from whom Mahony probably borrowed this “forgive my victims” line from is none other than pope-to-be Cardinal Ratzinger.

Ratzinger to the Catholic News Service in 2002, commenting on the Catholic church pedophile priest scandal:

“I am personally convinced that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offences among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower.”

“In the United States, there is constant news on this topic, but less than 1% of priests are guilty of acts of this type,” he said. “The constant presence of these news items does not correspond to the objectivity of the information nor to the statistical objectivity of the facts.

“Therefore, one comes to the conclusion that it is intentional, manipulated, that there is a desire to discredit the Church. It is a logical and well-founded conclusion.”

Get it?  The victims are to blame.  This isn’t a glitch, it’s a feature.

NY Cardinal: We didn’t do anything wrong

Former NY Cardinal retracts apology for enabling child rapists: “I don’t think we did anything wrong”

In 2002, at the height of the outcry over the sexual abuse of minors by Roman Catholic priests, the Archbishop of New York, Edward M. Egan, issued a letter to be read at Mass. In it, he offered an apology about the church’s handling of sex-abuse cases in New York and in Bridgeport, Conn., where he was previously posted.
“It is clear that today we have a much better understanding of this problem,” he wrote. “If in hindsight we also discover that mistakes may have been made as regards prompt removal of priests and assistance to victims, I am deeply sorry.”

Now, 10 years later and in retirement, Cardinal Egan has taken back his apology.

In an interview in the February issue of Connecticut magazine, a surprisingly frank Cardinal Egan said of the apology, “I never should have said that,” and added, “I don’t think we did anything wrong.”

Catholic leader: Child rape is “understandable,” blames children

Catholic Church leader says child rape “understandable,” blames children – defends Sandusky at Penn State:

People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to — a psychopath. But that’s not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer … It’s not so hard to see — a kid looking for a father and didn’t have his own — and they won’t be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing, perhaps sleeping but not having intercourse or anything like that.

It’s an understandable thing … there are the relatively rare cases where a priest is involved in a homosexual way with a minor. I think the statistic I read recently in a secular psychology review was about 2%. Would that be true of other clergy? Would it be true of doctors, lawyers, coaches?

Here’s this poor guy — [Penn State football coach Jerry] Sandusky — it went on for years. Interesting: Why didn’t anyone say anything? Apparently, a number of kids knew about it and didn’t break the ice. Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.

Catholic Church used to castrate young boys who accused them of rape

There was once a time when the Catholic church simply castrated young boys who accused priests of raping them:

At least one boy under the age of 16 was castrated to ‘help’ his homosexual feelings while in Catholic church care in the 1950s, the NRC reported on Saturday.

But there are indications at least 10 other boys were also castrated, the paper said. The claims were not included in the Deetman report on sexual abuse within the Catholic church published at the end of last year.

The paper says the one confirmed case concerned a boy – Henk Heithuis – who reported being sexually abused by priests to the police in 1956. After giving evidence, he was placed in a Catholic-run psychiatric institution where he was then castratedbecause of his ‘homosexual behaviour’.

Catholic Church laments prison term for pedophile-enabler

In contrast to how it castrated young victims of child-rape by its won priests, the Catholic church has been quite understanding of its pedophile priests, who it thinks are being punished unfairly.  From our earlier reporting:

From the NYT:

Monsignor Lynn served as secretary for clergy for the 1.5 million-member archdiocese from 1992 to 2004, recommending priest assignments and investigating abuse complaints. During the trial, prosecutors presented evidence that he had shielded predatory priests, sometimes transferring them to unwary parishes, and lied to the public to avoid bad publicity and lawsuits.

He got three to six years.  Classic statement from the Catholic church:

In a statement Tuesday, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia said that its procedures for protecting children had improved significantly since “the events some 10 years ago that were at the center of this trial.”It acknowledged “legitimate anger in the broad community toward any incident or enabling of sexual abuse.” But it also described the sentence as overly harsh, saying “fair-minded people will question the severity.”

“We hope that when this punishment is objectively reviewed, it will be adjusted,” it said.

So the victims get castrated, and the men who helped the rapists get away and rape more children get the church’s pity.

Catholic church gives full church funeral to priest who raped 150 kids

To you the full flavor of just how out of touch – no, evil – the Catholic church is, here’s a neat little story we reported on about how the church gave a convicted pedophile priest a full church funeral after he raped 150 kids:

John J. Geoghan was laid to rest yesterday in a traditional Roman Catholic funeral rite.

Priests and nuns were heavily represented among the two dozen or so mourners who attended the Mass at Holy Name parish in West Roxbury, the Geoghan family church. Geoghan’s sister, Catherine, was also there.

An unidentified representative of Archbishop Sean P. O’Malley attended, said the Rev. Christopher Coyne, a spokesman for the archdiocese.

“People from within the Catholic community are reaching out to Cathy,” Coyne said “The most important thing when a Christian dies is that the community prays that he or she is sped to heaven.”

Monsignor George F. Carlson, pastor of Holy Name, celebrated the funeral Mass.

Pope-to-be Ratzinger slaps reporter for asking about his role in covering up child-rape

And my personal favorite: the time the Pope-to-be slapped a reporter who asked him about his reported role in covering up the pedophile scandal:

The accusers say Vatican-based Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who heads the Vatican office to safeguard the faith and the morals of the church, quietly made the [pedophile priest] lawsuit go away and shelved it. There was no investigation and the accusers weren’t asked a single question or asked for a statement.

He was appointed by the pope to investigate the entire sex abuse scandal in the church in recent days. But when approached by ABCNEWS in Rome last week with questions of allegations against Maciel, Ratzinger became visibly upset and actually slapped this reporter’s hand.

“Come to me when the moment is given,” Ratzinger told ABCNEWS, “not yet.”

“Cardinal Ratzinger is sheltering Maciel, protecting him,” said Berry, who expressed concerns that no response was being given to the allegations against the man charged with sex abuse. “These men knelt and kissed the ring of Cardinal Ratzinger when they filed the case in Rome. And a year-and-a-half later, he takes those accusations and aborts them, just stuffs them.”

Did Pope Benedict resign because of his role in covering up the pedophilia scandal?

And mind you, in spite of then-Cardinal Ratzinger’s role in helping to cover up pedophile priests, they still made him Pope.  Which leads one to wonder, as our own Gaius Publius, whether Pope Benedict’s role as pedophile-priest enabler has finally caught up with him, and that’s why he’s resigning later this month:

The Onion on the PopeBenedict’s stated reason is his waning strength, but that hasn’t stopped the rumors. As Cardinal, Ratzinger was Pope John Paul II’s enforcement officer — he rode herd on the many sex scandals and their “containment.” Was he involved in crimes of concealment? Almost certainly, but there’s little direct public evidence. Is there new explosive documentation that could lay the dead cat of scandal at his personal door? Nothing has been revealed so far that’s worse than what we’ve seen (search for “Munich”), and Ratzinger has weathered those storms.

Still, why so sudden? Is there something about the timing?

Gaius has a later story on the potential smoking gun against Pope Benedict that’s found in the to-be-released Legion of Christ documents.

This is an ongoing theme in the Catholic church, specifically regarding the child-rape scandals.  They hold themselves blameless.  And will probably hold Mahony and O’Brien blameless too.

CyberDisobedience on Substack | @aravosis | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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81 Responses to “Anti-gay top UK Cardinal O’Brien resigns after gay harassment allegations”

  1. karmanot says:

    I can testify that there is homosexuality in Iran—-at least five times.

  2. Ninong says:

    Hey, guess what. Benedict has decided that after he abdicates he will continue to wear white and will be referred to as His Holiness Benedict XVI, Emeritus Pope! I guess Dowager Pope sounded too much like Downton Abbey.

    Archbishop Georg Gaenswein will be living with Benedict. Try to act surprised.

  3. Ninong says:

    Hey, guess what. Benedict has decided that after he abdicates he will continue to wear white and will be referred to as His Holiness Benedict XVI, Emeritus Pope! I guess Dowager Pope sounded too much like Downton Abbey.

    Archbishop Georg Gaenswein will be living with Benedict. Try to act surprised.

  4. FunMe says:

    He looks MEGA creepy! Totally represents what the Catholic priests are all about. Closeted. Hateful. Greedy. Predators. Charlatans!

  5. Nick says:

    Obrien and “good friend” Jimmy Savile…

  6. Ninong says:

    Here’s what Turkson told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour earlier this month:

    “African traditional systems kind of protect or have protected its population against this tendency,” Turkson said. “Because in several communities, in several cultures in Africa homosexuality or for that matter any affair between two sexes of the same kind are not countenanced in our society. So, that cultural ‘taboo,’ that tradition has been there. It’s helped to keep this out.”

    Just like in Iran, there is no homosexuality in Africa because that sort of thing is not “countenanced” in their society. This coming from a man who supports Uganda’s “Kill the Gays” bill.

  7. Ninong says:

    I’m surprised that the media is focusing so much attention on Cardinal Turkson of Ghana as the so-called favorite to be elected. I still think it will be Cardinal Scola, Archbishop of Milan, or Cardinal Quellet, Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops. Both of them are current Vatican insiders and if they’re looking for a non-Italian/non-European, they would probably go with Quellet before Turkson. If neither Turkson nor Scola can get two-thirds, then Quellet could be the compromise.

    At least with Quellet they would have less of a problem dealing with previous interviews and writings. Turkson can’t even express himself in coherent, clear sentences. And English really is his first language, so he can’t use that as an excuse. Besides, Turkson would be taking them even further into the woods when it comes to dealing with a changing world.

  8. I really don’t know what to say to this crap any more. It’s hardly a surprise, these days, any more than it’s a surprise when some venomous anti-gay preacher is found cruising for tail in a seedy bar or a grotty men’s room. It’s not a question any more of, “How low can they sink?” but rather a question of, “How low have they already sunk that we just don’t know about yet?”

    I’m nominally Catholic myself though I haven’t been to Mass since Ash Wednesday years ago. Even when my church-going had diminished to almost nothing I always tried to make a point of attending on Ash Wednesday, thinking it more important than Christmas or Easter, which maybe tells something about my personality. It was always somewhat hypocritical of me, I suppose, but I was far from the only practitioner of “Cafeteria Catholicism”.

    Now, though? I’m not one for advertising apostasy, which seems a bit like posting an intemperate rant on Facebook or LiveJournal or whatever other online community about how everyone sucks and nobody understands you so you’re saying goodbye, loudly and abundantly. Best just to leave, quietly, and never go back.

  9. BeccaM says:

    I’m sure you know the old saying, how the only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead. There’s likely not to be just the one copy of that report. Moreover, not only would those three Bishops you mentioned know what was in it, how likely would it be that they composed and typed that report themselves? Or would it have been members of their clerical (no pun intended) staff?

    I’m guessing the Camerlengo — who would be Bertone — would have back-up access to that papal safe. Even if not, there’s no such thing as a safe that some safe-cracker cannot get into.

    All I know is I’m enjoying the popcorn.

  10. Ninong says:

    The “entire thing” is apparently bound in red leather and locked in the Pope’s personal safe in the Vatican and he is reportedly the one person in the world who has access to it. Other than Bel Giorgio, of course. Conventiently Bel Giorgio will be in close contact with both the new pontiff and the retired one.

    I wonder how a newly elected pope gets to open his personal safe once the previous pope has departed via the usual method? Who gives him the combination? And did that person take a peek during the interregnum?

  11. Ninong says:

    According to Cardinal O’Brien’s announcement, “The Holy Father has now decided that my resignation will take effect today.”

  12. BeccaM says:

    Based on some of the reporting, including here, this originally sounded (erroneously, as it turned out) like O’Brien had just decided to resign, with both the charges against him and the bad optics of “another sexually corrupt priest goes to Rome to pick the next Pope.”

    I think you’re right: As a matter of standard procedure, the accused Bishop tenders his resignation when it looks like the charges will stick. The Vatican sits on the letter, probably intending no action at all until this new papal election situation came up and forced their hand.

    But yes, this is peanuts compared to the hints of what’s in that report, and no doubt it’s being leaked to undermine those currently at the top of crap mountain. I’m really, really, really hoping someone leaks he entire thing.

  13. karmanot says:

    Oh I don’t know Becca. It took them several centuries to figure out the Galileo unpleasantness.

  14. Ninong says:

    The resignation was accepted after the pope reviewed the complaints of the three current priests and one former priest against O’Brien. That happened just this past weekend. I wasn’t aware that the resignation letter had already been submitted that far in advance. I just assumed that maybe O’Brien was holding off until the last minute, March 17.

    From what I have read between the lines of the public account of the nature of those four complaints, apparently at least one of them involved a continuing affair of an “intimate” nature, and that one was from a current priest. The complaints must have been sufficiently detailed that Benedict had no doubt they were true. After all, that’s what he did for a living for two decades, so he has a lot of experience dealing with such reports.

    I have a hunch that the O’Brien story, and even the Mahony story, will pale in comparison to what La Repubblica is reporting based on leaks from the Three Cardinals Report. Whoever is responsible for the leaks has to be very high up in the curia and the leaks weren’t made until after Benedict announced his decision to abdicate. I wonder if they were done by the same cardinal(s) responsible for getting the butler to try to trash Bertone? In any case, the guy the pope just made a bishop (I forgot his name) so that he could ship him off to South America is almost certainly involved and the scandal almost certainly involves you-know-what. It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s video evidence, thanks to today’s cell-phones.

    The La Repubblica article quoted a source “very close to those who wrote [the cardinal’s report]” as saying: “Everything revolves around the non-observance of the sixth and seventh commandments.” And La Repubblica wasn’t the only Italian paper with access to the same leaks. Corriere della Sera, alluded to the dossier soon after the pope announced his resignation on 11 February, describing its contents as “disturbing”.

  15. Eyeball_Kid says:

    So.. Father Groeschel says that some child rape is understandable??? And this man calls himself a theologian and moral authority? It’s statements like his that divest the Catholic Church of ANY moral authority. Groeschel is simply, well, from my religion class in 1964, providing a great example of “moral laxity.” He’s simply too intellectually and morally lazy to understand that adults and priests are REQUIRED to set a moral standard for those over whom they have any kind of developmental or structural power. There are moral and ethical standards that do not change with circumstance, and one of them is a priest’s relationship to minor males and females. After reading Groeschel’s flimsy excuse for moral ambivalence, I wouldn’t allow Groeschel near anyone younger than 21. And even then, he’s a menace with that kind of thinking. Groeschel needs to be watched very carefully.

  16. BeccaM says:

    Well… it’s a tad more complicated than this recounting makes it seem.

    O’Brien actually submitted his resignation last November — long before Ratzinger announced his intention to abdicate as Pope. This resignation letter was (figuratively) sitting on Ratzinger’s desk for three months.

    So the question is why was it accepted just now? Did O’Brien contact the Vatican and remind them that he had a pending resignation and perhaps it would be a good idea to accept it now, given the nature of the allegations against him? Or was it Ratzinger or someone on his staff who realized, “Hmm… with all the scandals in the news, adding another “priest accused of gay sexual harassment” scandal to the pile really isn’t good PR right now, not with a new pontiff vote coming up in a few weeks”?

    In other words, from where did this months-later resignation acceptance originate?

  17. Ninong says:

    Three weeks early. That’s all we’re talking about here. Apparently a little birdy whispered in his ear that Benedict would like to accept his resignation as archbishop of St. Andrews and Edinburgh before he abdicates on Feb. 28. Under current rules, he would have been required to submit that resignation on his March 17, his 75th birthday. Then it would have been up to the pope if and when he chose to accept it.

    Wait for the spin they will put on this. They will blame the media for creating the distraction and praise O’Brien for his selfless decision to stay home rather than allow the conclave to be overshadowed by all this media attention.

    I wonder if Levada made some sort of a deal with him? Resign as archbishop immediately, decide not to attend the conclave, and we will see to it that the complaints against you remain in limbo for the next few years, at least. Let’s just call that the Marcial Maciel method.

    I don’t think O’Brien is going to be the big news when it comes to this sort of scandal coming out of the Vatican. What about the guy the pope just promoted to bishop just so it could send him to South America to get him out of the Vatican? He’s probably going to be part of a much bigger story than O’Brien.

  18. “…trying to make it all about the gays.”

    I fail to wrap my mind around this concept as is this not a requirement to enter the priesthood?

    Being gay is one thing… molesting children (of either sex) is quite another.

    Thank God for the sacrament of confession. Otherwise, instead of burning in hell for eternity for these unspeakable acts perpetrated on innocent children, these creeps can sit at the right hand of God during the rapture and relish at the destruction of those that would call on them for their atrocities.

    Ain’t Catholic pedophilia just the greatest thing since the inquisitions?

    Shit like this makes me physical ill.

    And now we know what it takes to climb the hierarchy of this church?

    How fuckin’ sad is it that so many Christians not only turn a blind eye to these despicable acts by so-called humans, but rise up to defend them.

    Fuck all of ya!

  19. karmanot says:

    “too stupid to be pope.”—Wonderful line!

  20. nicho says:

    In my seminary, we had obviously gay guys and a lot of straight guys. The ones among my peers who turned out to be pedophiles were mostly the jocks, the guys who acted straight. The guys who were more openly gay have mostly turned out fine.

    And as far as a “huge gay network” causing Ratzi to resign, it’s a lie perpetrated by the media. The real cause was the broad criminal corruption in the highest echelons. Ratzi went to seminary and taught in a very liberal seminary. If he didn’t know there were gay priests before last month, he’s too stupid to be pope.

  21. nicho says:

    I’ve tried to edit that to make XXIII and Disqus won’t let me.

  22. Indigo says:

    I’m glad to know that. Thanks.

  23. Guest says:

    Not arguing with what you say, but if your friend worked in the Vatican under John Thirteenth, he must have been very, very old.

  24. nicho says:

    I hope he has a refundable ticket.

  25. FLL says:

    The Catholic Church has so many chickens coming home to roost these days that the RC Church could go into the poultry business. Most telling of all is the complete absence of sympathy for the Catholic Church’s dilemma throughout the mainstream media. Not even the wingnuts of the Far Right or the pundits on Fox News make any noises in support of the Catholic Church, which can do no more than coast on the accumulated wealth from centuries past. At this point, the Catholic Church is truly friendless—a wealthy pariah.

  26. Drew2u says:

    Nat Geo, I believe, aired an, “Inside the Vatican” documentary that’s extremely disturbing when you consider what’s going on. The pope photographer saying he got the job because he’s ‘discreet’ or the morning ritual includes altar-boys dressing the priests….

  27. Drew2u says:

    and the LDS/Mormons.

    Jesus christ, I can’t believe one of the first searches about LDS abuse is a link with a preview quote of: “One of the dirty little secrets that the newsmedia doesn’t tell the public in Mormon sex abuse cases, is that the molested children are often happy to be victimized…”

  28. Drew2u says:

    That’s because you’re morally capable.

  29. CzarinaFlo says:

    Andrew Sullivan and Tony Adams have blogged extensively on this subject. The priesthood is indeed statistically overrepresented by closeted, self-loathing gay men. What an opportunity the RCC has if it only chose to support them and let them come out, supported a married priesthood, straight and gay, supported women priests, and supported full equality for all in a new branding effort. I think they’d bring vigor back to the Church. Of course, this will happen when snowballs freeze in hell. They will dig their heels in deeper, continue to lose market share (and that’s what it’s about) in Europe and the US, and go after poorer, more impressionable people in the Third World.

  30. Bill_Perdue says:

    The two most poisonous closets are the cult closet and the political closet. Among the cults, islamists and the roman cult are the leading anti-gay forces globally.

    The catholic death cult historically attracted men and women from the GLBT communities but they paid, and continue to pay a terrible price. In virtually all cases they lead horribly distorted and toxic lives most often consumed by self loathing. Ted Haggard, Obama BBF Donnie McClurkin and Eddie Long are examples of the distorted lives of self loathers in other cults.

    The political closet consists of those who knowingly support politicians in the WH or Congress who refuse to repeal DOMA and pass ENDA. These include everyone from GOProud to Obots, Their reactionary views aren’t limited to equality issues. They support politicians who wage wars of aggression, imprison, torture and murder people from around the world including 16 year old boys and whistle blowers like Brad Manning. They support union busters.

    Happily, the future prospects for people in both closets are bleak. The roman cult is reeling and the political cults will have the same problem as the Depression grinds on and on and politicians of both parties impose austerity

  31. kingstonbears says:

    It’s just been reported that he’s resigned. WooHoo!! As Whoopi says, “there is a gawd afterall”.

  32. Carl Gorney says:

    USA Today just reported that, too.

  33. vrk says:

    According to the BBC he just resigned over these allegations.

  34. karmanot says:

    From local bishops to the upper most echelons, the Church is fully aware and actively abbetting child felony rape and physical abuse. They don’t consider these crimes as that serious except for PR problems. If fact if you hear Cardinal Mahoney speak on the subject he sounds like a pedophile himself in denial. Cardinal Law was similar in his ‘reflections.’ The house of cards is about to come down bigtime on the Vatican and its monsterous crimes.

  35. BeccaM says:

    All kinds of cool archeology in the area. It’s also really common to find arrow and spear heads, pottery shards, and so on all over New Mexico.

    No, we don’t often eat in Santa Fe. On those trips, we’re far more likely to stop in Bernalillo on the way home and eat at The Range Cafe, our favorite restaurant.

  36. karmanot says:

    Also, aren’t there some petroglyps in that area?

  37. karmanot says:

    ‘flaming’= fem; ‘smoldering’ = butch

  38. karmanot says:

    That is a good observation. I suspect in monastic life it is as high as 60%. However, from my observations gay monks observe their vows and are very spiritually dedicated. I’ve seen special friendships in religious life, but never witnessed inappropriate sexual behavior. Most monks work too hard to play that way. However, there was one incident I saw in The Basilica of St. Francis that gave me pause.

  39. karmanot says:

    Part II: The attack on gays is not just a cover story, Indigo, but feign of a truly deep and corrupt homosexual/perv cabal in Church administration. I wouldn’t used the word ‘gay’ in any respect to these evil men. Popping up constantly in scandals involving sex abuse are Cardinal’s Law and Mahoney, numerous Bishops and the Pope himself. These, and I suspect there are many more

    who are part of the chain of moral corruption. The banking business itself has had mafia scandal attached to it since the end of WWII—including murder and other neferarious business.

  40. karmanot says:

    The Zen community sure does have its sex problems, not the least of which was Roshi Baker, who was drummed out of the SF Zen Center and later set up shop in NM somewhere. Americans often think that ‘transmission’ is always akin to enlightenment, but in Eastern tradition it is often a handing over the keys to the mortage. In the early days Baker was an enthusiastic Harvard MBA and showed great promise, but later…..well. He certainly isn’t alone in the enlightenment fraud racket. No one is exempt from the laws of cause and effect. Check out the site Dark Zen.

  41. BeccaM says:

    Actually it was a good faith attempt, although initially it was intended only for priests having problems with drug addiction, alcoholism, or celibacy in general (i.e., not rapists). Then the Church officials began sending them…more problematic cases, including rapists of children and women.

    At first, Father Gerald Fitzgerald told the Church that his religious counseling techniques could not help these men, but above all else, they should not be returned to parishes or any situation where the priest or brother could commit crimes again. He was ignored.

    Over the course of decades, Fitzgerald asked the Church to stop sending him these men because he felt he could not help them, and they were, in fact, a danger to the local community, as well as to any community to which the men would be sent after their ‘rehabilitation.’ The Church’s reaction? They said no and eventually forced him out. It was only after a bunch of lawsuits in the 90s from people living in the Jemez Springs area alleging their children were being molested by priests staying at the monastery that the Church finally shut it down.

    You’re right though: It’s an amazingly beautiful area. We often pass through on our way to the Caldera park or to picnic at the Soda Dam and Battleship Rock. Sometimes we do what we call ‘The Jemez Loop’, where we drive up Hwy 4, then over to Bandelier National Monument to check out the Native American cliff ruins, and then back home by way of Santa Fe. Oh — also some great volcanic rock outcroppings and fossils up there, too.

  42. karmanot says:

    Yes, Camp Ped gave out furloughs and assigned its priests on temp schedules to the more rural communities in the area.

  43. karmanot says:

    You are right Indigo. The Zen Center is a converted monastery, but not Camp Ped., which is located further down the road. In fact when you drive by the Zen Center you can sometimes see the nuns walking kinhin in the garden.

  44. Indigo says:

    I know the place too. I’ve been to the Zen Center on retreat there. The Center used to be a Catholic monastery. I didn’t know it was that particular Catholic monastery. Ohhh, myyy!

  45. Indigo says:

    Yeah, well, the Zen community in the States has some nasty little behavioral problems among some of the high-ranking teachers and roshi. Nasty hypocrites, already enlightened, exempt from the laws of cause and effect in their opinion. But . . . no . . . that’s as bogus as it gets. They should be luck to take rebirth as foxes.

    Meanwhile in Rome, the attack on gays is clearly a cover story. The Vatican Bankster story is the stuff of bankruptcy and scandal that makes really good movies and could even be a psudo-spiritual, Renaissance fair type costumed drama series on Showtime in a 21st century setting. It could even be done emo-style. But nobody at the decisioneer level is prepared to accept the truth of the financial mess and put it on the front page where it should have been five years ago.

  46. I’m starting to wonder if the RC priesthood isn’t in fact mostly gay — based partly on descriptions of widespread gay networks of cardinals in the report about the Vatican which caused Ratzinger to resign — but also on the logic of the RCC being a strong magnet for gay priests. Think about it — if you are a gay Catholic male who is very religious, you’re probably deeply conflicted about that (esp. given the RC’s repressiveness about gay sex, plus probably coming from a conservative family) and thus unlikely to “come out.” You also don’t want a lot of questions about why you don’t date or marry, so the RC priesthood where you can’t marry and are surrounded by all male colleagues is the PERFECT solution. Because of the shortage of priests, you know they won’t kick you out even if discovered as gay. Voila, problem solved.

    By contrast, if you are a heterosexual Christian who both wants to have a religious vocation and to marry so to have a family, you’d join the ministry of any of the Christian denomination which allows marriage. Imo, until the Church allows marriage and women to join the priesthood, it’s going to have a deep contingent of gay priests, bishops and cardinals.

    Some investigative reporter could really make news by going undercover and/or thoroughly researching this. There must be ex-priests and current gay priests wanting the issue out in the open who will be willing to talk about this. Personally, I don’t care what the sexuality of my church ministers are, but do think that the majority of Catholics wouldn’t cotton to a church of largely gay priests and that they have a right to know.

  47. karmanot says:

    Despite that monastery that Valley is truly a very beautiful and special place. It has a ruined old Franscian church and not far away a Zen Buddhist nunnerary. I imagine originally Camp Ped was located there in good faith for healing.

  48. BeccaM says:

    I know of the place. It’s actually near Jemez Springs, NM — and less than an hour’s drive from where I’m living now. My wife told me the story of the place, one day when we were driving through on our way to the Valles Caldera park, and how there were numerous incidents of sexual assault in the village nearby because the Church neglected to tell the local residents exactly who they’d been sending to that ineffectually rehabilitative monastery.

  49. BeccaM says:

    I remember having decidedly mixed feelings when I heard about that.

  50. karmanot says:

    It is just the tip! In America the Church sends its Fathers Finger Puppet to a place located in a Valley just outside of Albuquerque run by the Servants of the Paracletes in Jemes NM. It’s affectionately called Camp Ped. by the inmates. This place is where Mahoney recycled his child rapist priests before resigning them other parishes. The place also administers to priest embezzlers. alcholics, drug addicts and other sociopaths of Christ.

  51. karmanot says:

    Yep. How many is too high? A thousand? Ten thousand? I will testify as a frightened 9 year old boy, that one is too many.

  52. karmanot says:

    Don’t forget the Damien attack crows!

  53. karmanot says:


  54. karmanot says:

    A dark horse is Cardinal Levada, a close friend of Ratzo’s, former Arch-Bishop of San Francisco and a rabid gay hater. He filled Ratzo’s ruby red slippers as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He is also a nasty critic of American culture and secularism.

  55. Bill from dover says:

    Sounds like they all of a sudden found religion!

  56. BeccaM says:

    Oh, and on top of that, the example you mention, is the fact your recounting wasn’t a singular event, but how the RCC dealt with all of its sexual predators, as official church policy.

  57. 2patricius2 says:

    Super storm hurricanes – check. Meteorites on Russia – check. Showers of dead birds – check. Discrediting of RC Church hierarchy – check. Destroy heterosexual marriage and bring down human society – that may take a bit longer.

  58. theophrastvs says:

    “flaming” is now politically incorrect (or perhaps always was?)

  59. BeccaM says:

    Exactly. In every single case, the reaction wasn’t to remove the child-rapist from further opportunity and temptation, but simply to cover it up, ignore it, and move him to another location.

  60. BeccaM says:

    We mustn’t forget to have someone running the SuperGay Hurricane/SuperStorm machine!

  61. nicho says:

    The priest mentioned in the blog post — Geoghan — was, in fact, murdered in prison.

  62. BeccaM says:

    Heck, child rapists sent to prison usually have to be kept in protective custody.

  63. nicho says:

    Let me give you an example of the systematic enabling in the Catholic Church that may clarify your points for people who still don’t quite understand.

    I had a seminary classmate who turned out to be a pedophile. He was assigned to the diocese of Albany, NY. He began molesting children. The bishop was informed. His reaction was to assign him to another parish, where he began molesting children again. When the bishop found out, he assigned him to a third parish, where he began molesting children again.

    When the bishop found our the third time, he had had enough. So, to solve the problem, he sent the guy to Bernard Law, who assigned him to a parish the the Boston archdiocese, where the guy molested more children. His response was to assign him to another parish, where he molested children again.

    When Law had had enough, he and the bishop of Albany wrote this guy a letter of recommendation to be a counselor in a home for troubled teenage boys. (YIKES! Pedophiles’ dream!)

    Guess what!

  64. Stev84 says:

    The Southern Baptists are the same:

  65. Stev84 says:

    The mafia would kill pedophiles and bury them somewhere never to be found. So yeah, a lot more moral.

  66. BeccaM says:

    It’s a reference to being overtly homosexual-seeming in behavior and demeanor, often to the point of revealing through remarks and innuendo one’s sexual orientation.

    For example, let’s say you’re sitting next to this Cardinal O’Brien at a college football game, and he keeps remarking on those well-muscled, taut young bodies down there on the field. Perhaps after certain tackles or moves, he’s seen surreptitiously ‘adjusting’ his trousers. Then, meanwhile, during the halftime show with all the pretty female cheerleaders strutting their stuff, he clearly could not be the least bit interested in watching them. After the game, he then suggests stopping at a bar for a couple of drinks, then back to his apartment to watch Spartacus on blu-ray on his new big-screen TV.

    That’s ‘big gay.’ Or, for the simpler version:

  67. Stev84 says:

    That’s not the context it’s used in here

  68. Stev84 says:

    Just means he is really obviously gay

  69. “…as the percentage of these offences among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower.”

    Given that any information at all about the occurrence of child molestation in the Catholic clergy has needed to be forced bit by bit out of the Church with threats of public exposure and legal action, how on Earth can this statement be trusted?

    Even if it were true it’s not a defence. Claiming “everybody else does it” after getting caught committing a crime doesn’t make it any less a crime.

  70. nicho says:

    Maybe just someone who does it a lot. Like “Rush Limbaugh is a big fat liar.” Don’t read any more into it than there is.

  71. nicho says:

    I think that’s #12 on The Gay Agenda right in between Mani-Pedi @ 10 and Lunch with the Girls @ 12:30.

  72. BeccaM says:

    The thread running through this child-rape scandal, as well as related to Nicho’s comment below: The Roman Catholic Church, as an institution, believes it is above all secular civil law.

    It is at the core of their attitudes when they uncover felonious criminal activity going on in their clergy ranks. This realization hit me in particular when reading that quote from (then) pre-pope Ratzinger remarking that there are surely no more pedophiles and rapists among the Catholic clergy than among the rest of society. (He could very well be right. Still, every time I read that remark, i remember the Monty Python sketch in which the British Royal Navy asserts it has its cannibalism problem well under control.) In every one of the examples here, the common thread is that instead of stopping whatever horrific crime was being committed and turning the man involved over to civil authorities for prosecution and a likely prison term (nowadays followed by permanent status as a convicted sex criminal), the RCC’s reaction was always to cover up the crime and assert that they and they alone had authority over what happened.

    Instead of removing the priest forever from contact with vulnerable parishioners and their children, the most that would happen is maybe — just maybe — the priest would be sent off for a few months of counseling and prayer, after which he’d be dropped right back into the middle of temptation, with the potential victims never warned. Father Badtouch would do it again, and he’d be sent on to another parish in another state or country, or perhaps reassigned to work at an orphanage as penance.

    A school finds one of its teachers has had inappropriate contact with a child, what do they do? They fire his or her ass and call the police. Same with doctors, lawyers, or coaches, as Pope Ratzinger remarked in his assertion that the Catholic Church’s cannibalism child-rape problem was no worse than in any other sector of society. In all those other situations, everybody knows the only right and moral response upon learning such crimes are being committed is to stop the pedophillic rapist and turn him over to lawful authorities for prosecution. This is why, for example, the Sandusky crimes were received by the public with such universal revulsion and anger: Everybody knew that those who knew what Sandusky was doing had had a duty to stop him and failed to do anything but cover it up.

    Far from accepting responsibility to stop it, what has the RCC’s reaction been? Even worse than those who merely stood by and did nothing. They enabled it to happen to tens of thousands more children (and assaulted adults) than ever had to be, and then as often as not blamed the victim, further compounding the horror.

    I, for one, would like to see some posts here about that three volume report Nicho mentions, detailing just how depraved and criminally-inclined the RCC has become. The systematic abuse of children, as horrific as it is, is likely just the tip of the iceberg.

  73. S1AMER says:

    “Big Gay” is us organized into politically active groups as opposed to, you know, helpless little closeted characters hiding in the shadows.

  74. nicho says:

    You’d be amazed and disgusted at what’s going on in the ultra-orthodox Jewish communities. Pedophiles are protected. Accusers are not only ignored, but threatened. Because it is a very closed community, there is a strict code of silence. No one talks to outsiders. If they do, they are shunned, which is disastrous for anyone living in a cult.

  75. UncleBucky says:

    Which suggests to me that they won’t elect any younger progressive pope like JP1, but rather a younger version of Ratzinger or a late term Wotyla, who will both cover up and then viciously blame the victims. Not only that, but this next pope, if I can predict it, will further entrench itself in the past.

    The only route is to vote with one’s feet, even if the RCC tries to pull the rug out from under you.

  76. dula says:

    I have a Gay Catholic acquaintance who is so full of delusional self-hatred that he believes activist Gays infiltrated the Catholic Church and abused children on purpose in order to bring down the Church. They apparently plotted this out for years, according to him.

  77. OtterQueen says:

    “…a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offences among priests is
    not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower.”

    Yeah, but your average pedophile doesn’t have a hierarchy of religious figures protecting him from exposure, much less criminal charges, shuffling him around from institution to institution where he can continue to molest young boys, rewarding him with higher positions of power, and possibly even paying him off to leave the priesthood. A hierarchy of religious figures, I might add, who also delight in telling most of the world that they’re going to hell merely for being human. The scandal is not that some priests are pedophiles, the scandal is what this institution did with that information and how they practically endorsed it.

  78. nicho says:

    The Vatican would like nothing better than to keep the focus on gay priests — and bishops — and the pedophile scandal, which as we all know (*sarcasm alert*) was caused by gays.

    The truth is that the Vatican is more corrupt than the Mafia. They’re laundering money for drug dealers and terrorists, there are gangs of cardinals that are battling each other, careers and reputations are ruined for those who align themselves with the wrong group, bribery is rampant, many cardinals are susceptible to blackmail (and not just for sexual misbehavior, although there is plenty of that). There is bid rigging on Vatican contracts. The Vatican Bank has been a cesspool for decades.

    I had a friend who worked in the Vatican under John XIII. He said John was a nice guy, but just ignored all the skullduggery. My friend said it was just like being in prison. Different gangs fighting it out. He said you pretty much had to walk with your back to the wall to avoid ending up with a shiv in your spine.

    John Paul I was going to start cleaning that up. That lasted a month until someone put something in his cocoa.

    Wotyla and Ratzi decided to just look the other way — until Ratzi was confronted with a three-volume report in January that detailed the rampant corruption and criminal activity. That’s when he decided to quit.

    However, the Vatican and the compliant media are trying to make it all about the gays.

  79. theophrastvs says:

    can some kindly in-the-loop person explain to clueless folks (such as i’m) what the designation “big gay” refers to? just an allusion to the Southpark character, or might we be directed to an example of ‘small gay’-ness? [pull-o-forelock]

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