Pope candidate Cardinal Turkson: Pedophilia is a white thing

His name is Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana, and he’s one of the top candidates being considered for next Pope.  He also has some disturbing theories on race.  You see, Cardinal Turkson, who is black, thinks being a pedophile or gay (to him they’re the same) is a white thing.

Cardinal Turkson was asked about the Catholic church’s ongoing pedophile scandal, and whether there was a chance the scandal might spread to Africa – most of the cases have been in western Europe and America.

Turkson’s response included two basic parts:

1. The pedophile scandal is really a gay scandal.

2. It’s a white thing, so black Africa shouldn’t have a problem.

Cardinal Turkson also defended Uganda’s “kill the gays” bill, which would make homosexuality a crime worthy of the death penalty.  According to Cardinal Turkson, you have to be “fair” to the people who want to legislate the murder of gays, and understand that the hatred of gays is rooted in “tradition” in Africa, so that makes it okay:

Ghanian Cardinal Peter Turkson via Haiducul, Wikipedia.

Ghanian Cardinal Peter Turkson via Haiducul, Wikipedia.

Ghanaian Cardinal Peter Turkson, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, said some of the sanctions imposed on homosexuals in Africa are an “exaggeration,” but argued that the “intensity of the reaction is probably commensurate with tradition.”

Referring to the issue of stigma surrounding homosexuality in Africa, the cardinal said it is important to understand the reasons behind it. “Just as there’s a sense of a call for rights, there’s also a call to respect culture, of all kinds of people,” he said. “So, if it’s being stigmatized, in fairness, it’s probably right to find out why it is being stigmatized.”

Now back to Cardinal Turkson’s bizarre race theories. Now, Cardinal Turkson didn’t mention race explicitly- he’s far too subtle to openly race-bait.  He spoke in code that’s often used by bigots in Africa to race-bait the issue of homosexuality.  You see, for African anti-gay bigots, being gay is a “western thing,” aka, a white thing.

Here’s what Cardinal Turkson told Christiane Amanpour:

When Amanpour asked Turkson about the possibility of the Catholic Church’s sexual abuse scandal spreading to Africa, he said it would unlikely be in the same proportion as it has in Europe.

“African traditional systems kind of protect or have protected its population against this tendency,” he said. “Because in several communities, in several cultures in Africa homosexuality or for that matter any affair between two sexes of the same kind are not countenanced in our society.”

Oh, so the African body politic has a way of shutting things like homosexuality down.  Gotcha.

Here’s Amanpour interviewing the President of Uganda in 2011, who reiterated another variation of the same lie:

“Before we came in touch with the Europeans, we had some few homosexuals…. Africans are by nature discreet people… We never exhibit our sexual acts in public. I have for instance never kissed my wife in public… The problem is exhibitionism… The second problem is trying to lure young children into homosexuality.”

There are some in America who think the same.  Titania Kumeh at Mother Jones explores the lie at length in her story, “Is Being Gay A White, European Thing?”:

 It’s a claim I’ve heard before from some black people, my own family included. The rumor has it that being gay is a white inclination that’s seeped its way into the black experience via colonialization. It’s largely based on the misconception that gay people don’t exist in African history. And it’s comparable to the claims made by some conservatives that gay rights, specifically gay marriage, is a fad not rooted in “traditional values” or espoused by any society in history. Which is just plain false.

Cardinal Turkson’s bizarre comments boil down to this.  First, Africans aren’t into raping children like westerners are (meaning, white people).  And second, the church’s child-rape scandal is actually a “gay” thing.

That’s not just incorrect, it’s downright scary that any Catholic leader to still believes that pedophilia is a “gay” problem.  Amanpour, to her credit, points out that American Psychological Association says the two aren’t linked. But what’s scary is that senior Catholic leader, who is on the short list for becoming the new pope, actually believes that the church’s pedophilia problem is rooted in homosexuality, and the overall acceptance of gay people in the West.

And people wonder why the Catholic church has yet to fully address the ongoing child-rape scandal?  The church’s senior leadership is so backward, so uninformed, so ignorant of the modern world, and so bigoted that they can’t even begin to fathom what the problem really is, let alone how to solve it.

That’s why people like former Los Angeles Cardinal Mahony, who church documents show shielded child molester priests, turned around and asked God to forgive his accusers for saying such bad things about him (mind you, his accusers were Catholic church documents).  Then a few days ago, Mahony said he was being scapegoated, and compared himself to Jesus on the cross, who, at last accounting, was not known to have aided and abetted pedophiles.

It’s also why Pope Benedict blamed the victims, and why former NY Cardinal Egan retracted his apology for the church’s crimes, recently saying, “I don’t think we did anything wrong.”  It’s why another church leader said that child rape is “understandable,” and blamed the children, while defending Sandusky of Penn State.  It’s why the church gave a full church funeral to that monster John Geoghan, who raped at least 150 young children. And why the church once castrated boys who came forward to report priests who had raped them.

The Catholic church will never be able to fully address the child-rape scandal until it fully understands the root of the problem.  And the problem isn’t rooted in people being gay or white.

It’s bad enough that the Catholic church is pretty much guaranteed to select yet another anti-gay and anti-woman bigot to be the next Pope, but now they’re “branching out” by considering a racist too.  Not exactly the kind of liberalization we were hoping for.  Though it is, sadly, what we’ve come to expect from the increasingly immoral Catholic leadership.

A final note to Cardinal Turkson: You know who else thinks pedophilia is race-based?


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121 Responses to “Pope candidate Cardinal Turkson: Pedophilia is a white thing”

  1. Anthony Davis says:

    There are millions of white victims of pedophilia at the hands of white males. To deny that there is a problem in the white community is to say you hate white children. It’s a problem b/c the white community refuses to talk about it or do anything about it, despite the fact that the single biggest danger to a white child is a white male. Political correctness doesn’t allow us to discuss that, though.

  2. Anonymous says:

    C’mon guys religion has never hurt nobody right? Let the guy worshiping the spaghetti monster in the sky speak for all of us and put a death warrant on all gays. And whites. And condoms. And Jews. I don’t know why the masses aren’t flocking to the church. It’s such a wonderful environment. As an atheist I applaud this guy. He’s doing all the work for me.

  3. Marina Gregg says:

    As a life-long catholic, I can
    say that there are so many loving, wonderful people in the church but
    this man is not one of them. I challenge those of you who read this to
    research Heinrich Himmler and his regime to wipe out homosexual men in
    WWII by killing tens of thousands of gay men in concentration camps,
    right along with the Jews, gypsies, Polish, etc.

    This man is making a proposition that there be mass murder of gay men again.
    bible says that they should be killed. The bible also says that slavery
    is just fine, witches should be killed and the black man is the
    descendant of Cain, which makes him bad.
    What are we going to do?

    People need to take this more seriously and understand that the good
    things about the bible: spreading peace, love and understanding. Stop
    the hatred and stop using the bible to get off with your hatred.

  4. Marina Gregg says:

    As a life-long catholic, I can
    say that there are so many loving, wonderful people in the church but
    this man is not one of them. I challenge those of you who read this to
    research Heinrich Himmler and his regime to wipe out homosexual men in
    WWII by killing tens of thousands of gay men in concentration camps,
    right along with the Jews, gypsies, Polish, etc.

    This man is making a proposition that there be mass murder of gay men again.
    bible says that they should be killed. The bible also says that slavery
    is just fine, witches should be killed and the black man is the
    descendant of Cain, which makes him bad.
    What are we going to do?

    People need to take this more seriously and understand the good
    things about the bible: spreading peace, love and understanding. Stop
    the hatred and stop using the bible to get off with your hatred.

  5. white boy, you are SICK. I bet YOU’RE a pedophile.

  6. Pedophilia is not a problem? I bet you’re white.

  7. Notracistifitstrue says:

    It’s not racist if it’s true. Pedophilia is a white thing. Here’s yet another white pedophile scandal http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/arlington/2013/05/arrest_made_in_child_sexual_as.html

  8. Daniel Moore says:

    Yeah but you get to prance about in ruby slippers!

  9. John says:

    Racist hypocrite SOB

  10. Binnie Winna Torkle says:

    So when a child dies of AIDS after being raped by a ‘heterosexual’ in the absurd belief that it will rid him of the disease, then it’s not really pedophilia? If that’s what you count as “knwoledgable”, what you count as “ignorant” must be him. The fact that he or you depend on a mouse in your pocket for your authority–thus denying all responsibility for your own actions–says much of you. Forgive all you like, those harmed by the acts of the ignorant, the judgmental and the uncaring are harmed all the same–not you, and certainly not him.

  11. johnsawyer says:

    This is like when Ahmadinejad said there were no gay people in Iran.

  12. yaythetruthisout says:

    ALL of the people in the comment section need to watch a lecture called (Predators In Our Mist)…then you’ll understand that this is very true. Gays in Europe and America go to Africa and buy black children and expose them to their gay lifestyles. Also white men that collected slaves from Africa taught and trained little African boys and girls to be gay and sold them in whore houses. Dressing the boys in earrings and paying more to have sex with the little boys than the little girls. People are waking up and the truth is starting to come out. Everything in the dark will always come to light.

  13. Max says:

    Wow. You QUOTED me, proving that you read it, then turned around and claimed I meant the opposite. I really don’t appreciate the implicit rape accusation either. If you are going to respond to what I say, I would appreciate it if you keep it within the realm of reasonable discussion. Your baseless accusations are only illustrating the prejudice I face.

  14. Max says:

    I agree. That’s why I am not equating the two. Child abuse is awful; consensual sex is not. You, on the other hand, are equating sexual attraction with rape. THAT is offensive.

  15. karmanot says:

    “you people” says it all bigot troll.

  16. colleen2 says:

    You are prejudicially conflating the act of rape with a given sexual attraction. Those are two VERY different things.

    It’s really very offensive to equate child rape with any of the normal expressions of adult consensual sex.

  17. colleen2 says:

    but when I find someone attractive, I don’t fantasize about raping them.

    Good. But if you’re fantasizing about having sex with children (and it seems increasingly obvious that this is what you are claiming) then you are, indeed, engaged in rape fantasies. That’s what you do when you, as an adult, imagine having sex with children and when you fantasize about having sex with children you are engaged in rape fantasies. by definition.

    Pedophiles don’t have a movement behind them for the exact same reason that other sorts of rapists don’t have a movement behind them. The fact that this offends you isn’t a problem.

  18. Guest says:
  19. rmthunter says:

    So, potentially the next pope will not only be a misogynist and homophobe, but a racist as well? Good-bye Church of Rome.

    And I’m really sort of amazed how ignorant all these high-profile African leaders are of their own history and traditions.

  20. Max says:

    colleen2, I don’t know how YOUR brain works, but when I find someone attractive, I don’t fantasize about raping them. That’s not even the point, though. It’s offensive to talk about the offenses of some as representative of all.

    Imagine for a second I wrote an article about the rape that happens in all-male prisons. Rape is never an acceptable form of punishment, so it should be prevented if possible, even when the victims are criminals. The act of a man (or group of men) raping another man is *technically* a homosexual act, since they are all the same sex. Now, what if I wrote an article about prison rape, but I repeatedly called it a “homosexual problem.” Imagine if I used the words “gay” and “rapist” interchangeably. Imagine I talked with the assumption that all gay men are rapists waiting to strike.

    Wouldn’t that be offensive? Wouldn’t gay rights groups complain? Well, it’s the same thing here, except people like me don’t have an army of a movement at our back.

  21. Max says:

    colleen2, Your comment is EXACTLY the reason that motivates my comment. You are prejudicially conflating the act of rape with a given sexual attraction. Those are two VERY different things. Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children. That is their sexual orientation. Being oriented towards children doesn’t make you a child molester or a rapist. Acting on that attraction would, but many pedophiles do not act on that attraction.

  22. wes nile says:

    So far the numbers seem to back up his claims…give the man a chance before you tar and feather him.

  23. Ninong says:


  24. Ninong says:

    Of the 117 presently under the age of 80, 50 were appointed by JPII and 67 by Ratzinger.

  25. colleen2 says:

    Pedophiles aren’t a “sexual minority” anymore than any other sort of rapist is.

  26. colleen2 says:

    The fact that fantasizing about raping children isn’t illegal does not mean that it isn’t a problem.

  27. Max says:

    “Bullshit?” What do you dispute? This isn’t 1984 – thoughts and feelings are not a crime to experience.

  28. tedhayes says:

    Is he, by example, demonstrating that ignorance is an African thing?

  29. mike31c says:

    Being an ignorant bigot must be a Cardinal thing then.

  30. karmanot says:

    Absolutely pathetic.

  31. karmanot says:

    Bullshit. And please keep your zipper closed.

  32. Max says:

    Dave, I wasn’t talking about the RCC or any other Church. I was talking about this article, which repeatedly said “pedophilia problem” when it should have said “child abuse problem.” This is a blog that has a focus on sexual minorities, so it ought to use proper language when discussing particularly marginalized groups to avoid furthering hate.

    Thanks anyway.

  33. Stev84 says:

    And I wasn’t talking about Uganda. Remember that lots of the countries there were drawn up by colonial powers. But Africa really used to be organized along tribes and ethnic groups. Some of them had (and have) very different ideas about family structures than we do.

  34. Stev84 says:

    He also hated Jews and women. Not exactly a nice person.

  35. Dave says:

    Pedophilia is defined as having a sexual attraction to children under 11 years of age. Legally it’s obviously not a crime in the States unless your interest extends to sexual assault or pornography involving children, in which case the punishment can be severe.

    However, I think that it’s more important to consider the moral implications of pedophilia. And since we’re talking about the RCC (not my church, by the way) perhaps it would be better to look at what the founder of Christianity had to say on the issue. Jesus said;

    “Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart”. (Matt 5:28). Now just because you’re gay and lusting after men, don’t think for a moment that Jesus was leaving you out of the equation! And imo Jesus’ intent was also to include lusting in your heart after children too. Jesus was calling on us all to be chaste in our relationships and so He said that lusting in your heart after anyone was wrong … a sin. And since I’m a heterosexual male, I’ve failed many times over at controlling my lustful heart.

    This has caused me much personal grief because I sincerely want to follow in the footsteps and instruction of the man who I came to know as my Lord and Saviour when I was 30 years old. However He did provide a trump card for those of us who are weak and have problems following in God’s standard, and the Book of Hebrews tells us of it;

    “This is the covenant (agreement) that I will make with them … says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them. … Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more”(!). (Heb 10:16-17).

    That was the whole reason that He gave up His life for us on the cross, so that God would be able to forgive and forget our sins. If you want to join me along with all the millions of other born-again Christians in this covenant with Him, all you need to do on your part is pray and do the following;

    “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is your Lord and Saviour and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (John 10:9-10). God will do the rest for you, just as He did for me.


  36. Mike_in_Houston says:

    Sadly, with beliefs like that, this guy is probably a shoe-in for the next Pope. (Somebody else has probably already made this comment; I haven’t read the other comments yet. This is just my knee-jerk reaction.)

  37. Butch1 says:

    Uh-huh. He wants to pretend it doesn’t exist? Then why does Uganda and some of those other African countries have to make up laws that homosexuality is punishable by death? This fool in robes needs to have his face slapped for that insult.. He nothing but a racist.

  38. fentwin says:

    You can’t understand why “us people” are making a big deal out of issues “that are not”!? So child rape, and the covering for child rapist is ok with you? Turkson makes the most inane racist comments and you call him knowledgeable? And then you say we need your god’s blessings. I remember something about a mote versus a beam in one’s eye.

  39. ARP says:

    Sorry, that sounded very ignorant. No, I meant Uganda.

  40. samizdat says:


  41. samizdat says:

    Isn’t that basically what Protestantism has become? Sect after sect duking it out with one another…

  42. samizdat says:

    Methinks you make some truly off-the-mark assumptions about nicho, and about many, if not most regular posters here. I suppose that your one-dimensional thinking couldn’t conceive of anyone possessing any nuance of thought with regard to complex issues. I personally have found that a monochromatic, linear, thinking cannot begin to account for all of the complexities of human society. There are very few things in this world which can be judged in a strictly black/white fashion. And besides, if I may be so bold, nicho was being somewhat snarky with that question, for the question answers itself.

  43. BeccaM says:

    These are not mutually exclusive conditions. Just check out the weekly hate-mail Markos publishes each Saturday over on dKos — racism, stupidity, and aggressive ignorance all go hand-in-hand.

  44. samizdat says:

    How nice for the Catholic Church. I see that the persecution of the advocates, practitioners, and theorists of Liberation Theology has come home to roost. John Paul II a saint? Jeebus H., look what has become of the Church. It’s bleeding membership here in the USA, and in the EU, due, in no small part, to the increasingly extremist views of the Bishops and Cardinals. Not to mention the massive child-rape scandal still unfolding across the globe.

    It’s a shame, really. It seemed that in the 70’s and early 80’s the Church was just beginning to implement the recommendations of V-II, including taking a much greater role in advocating for the poor and oppressed (the basic underpinnings of Liberation Theology, at least as I remember them). And then…JPII comes along and reverses the whole thing, not to mention his increasingly conservative appointments to Bishop and Cardinal. And our friend the Nazi Youth member, Ratso, seals the deal by covering everything up, both during JPII (as his #1 henchman and enforcer), and his own Papacy.

    I suppose I should thank the Church for pushing me out the door, and starting me on the road to atheism.

    Thanks, John Paul II, you retrograde reprobate! (Where-ever in Hell you may be residing)(too bad I don’t believe in a hell, tho’)

  45. karmanot says:

    “talking and telling bad things” In thought, word, and deed my dear and only in confession.

  46. karmanot says:

    I highly recommend Penguins and Dolphins avoid Uganda.

  47. Naja pallida says:

    He speaks with no irony at all that human rights organizations have cited Ghana as a state that has a serious problem with child slavery – including child sex slaves, as well as indentured servitude. Much of it surrounding the mining industry, which seems quite well “countenanced in their society”.

  48. BeccaM says:

    This is the same Church that charged a scientist with heresy for saying the Earth orbited the sun and not the other way around. Centuries later, his conviction was reversed, but the current Pope continues to assert that there was nothing wrong with the original charges, that they were entirely rational.

    Does anyone think this or any other potential Pope gives a damn about objective facts and science on anything, much less the biology of sexual orientation? All Turkson’s doing is putting a race-baiting spin on it.

    Remember, this is the same religion that asserts it’s morally wrong for a woman to try to prevent herself from getting pregnant, even if such a pregnancy is likely to grievously injure or kill her.

  49. Max says:

    The sexual attraction to children is not a crime – acting on it is. (Hence the difference I spoke of.)

  50. karmanot says:

    There was Nicho. He was touched by an angel and touched back.

  51. karmanot says:

    Yep, how else can a poor Princess get to live in a palace?

  52. karmanot says:

    Gaaaaaaaa! What Nicho said!

  53. karmanot says:

    Thank you Jafafa!

  54. karmanot says:

    We can say oxymoron at this point. :-)

  55. karmanot says:

    Better think this over a bit dude. Pedophilia is not only a problem it is criminal.

  56. karmanot says:

    Peter is at the very heart of these scandals. Africa is probably not mentioned because it is a ‘new continent.’

  57. karmanot says:

    That sounds very scary.

  58. karmanot says:

    There is always hope. Once he burns his first gay witch somewhere in Africa it will start to unravel.

  59. karmanot says:

    No, I don’t buy that either. I think after about 25 years ( no make that one year) ‘they’ develop a sexual attraction to their right (or left, in some cases) hand.

  60. Hilde, I suspect if someone said you were a pedophile, and it was in your genes, you might be upset about it too.

  61. karmanot says:

    You are on shaky ground here, for it suggests that ‘gay’ and ‘pedphilia’ are linked. But, that last sentence is spot on. The RCC believes in virgin birth by a holy poltergeist—–how twisted is that?

  62. karmanot says:

    Double snap j. Good One!

  63. karmanot says:

    Did you know that Luther had a fetish for whipping and scat?

  64. karmanot says:

    OMG! One of the ‘new continents’? That says it all.

  65. Max says:

    Pedophilia is not a problem – child abuse is. Learn the difference.

  66. karmanot says:

    But, isn’t it true that the non-white ‘down-low’ was invented by the CIA to disabilize Catholic Africa? (ps Snark, down arrows, snark)

  67. karmanot says:

    In the Castro there was The Church of The Most Holy Redeemer, which was called the Church of the Gay Ninties—all the men were gay and all the women over ninty. Everybody died off. Nowadays the homeless get holy to grab a few ZZZZZ’z at Mass.

  68. karmanot says:

    Keep at it John! Excelent work. “Ghanaian Cardinal Peter Turkson, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace,” OMG, Nicho was right. Some people are just too stupid to be Pope. The Vatican President of Justice and Peace will become Pope and start burning gays at the stake. Mr. God sure works in mysterious ways.

  69. Hilde Scholastique says:

    If you find him ignorant, then you are maybe more ignorant than he is because i still don’t understand why you people like making big deal issues that are not.

    As for me, he is a knwoledgable person and worthy of becoming Pope and that is my very opinion and the own of many others.

    May God bless you all who talking and telling bad things concerning him and forgive you all as well!

  70. Ain’t Catholicism just the greatest?

  71. Jafafa Hots says:

    The culture? There’s only one African culture? On the whole continent? The 2nd largest continent in the world? (behind #1, Asia)

    (or did you mean just Uganda?)

  72. So essentially, Cardinal Turkson wouldn’t know his icehole from a giant celestial crater in the ground and he’s leading his people to the slaughter, got it.

    Incidentally, God blessed over 1500+ species of animals with homosexuality, including humans. It is MAN which turned God’s gift into a reason to murder and torture innocent humans for simply being what God made them to be – Gay.


  73. Jafafa Hots says:

    Good news at last!

  74. Jafafa Hots says:

    I would love a photo of that.
    Sounds very kitschy.

  75. Jafafa Hots says:

    A fairy tale mindset among the leaders of a CHURCH?

  76. Jafafa Hots says:

    Well, it sounds like he has the job qualifications.

  77. Badgerite says:

    Ah! That may explain why I hardly recognize the Catholic Church I grew up in anymore in terms of what the leadership stresses as important.

  78. Youxia88 says:

    Pope will be be named Peter and will have something to do with Rome.Africa is not mentioned.

  79. Youxia88 says:

    You only voted for Obama because he’s black because you hate Mormons. What does that make you?!

  80. Naja pallida says:

    And they wonder why the ranks of the priesthood are thinning. They’re spending every single day making themselves increasingly irrelevant to a world that is passing them by… which is probably why they’re focusing so heavily on the developing world for new members of their “flock”.

  81. ARP says:

    I don’t buy it either. We don’t hear stories of Buddhist monks molesting kids (although they could be out there). No, I do think that these people are already pedophiles and join the church to get to children or join the church to deal with their desires, but they inevitably act out.

    Some have suggested that the combination of celibacy and church condemnation for even THINKING gay thoughts turns otherwise “normal” gays in to pedophiles. I just don’t buy that.

  82. ARP says:

    That may be the case, but I think the culture wasn’t exactly tolerant of gays before Christianity came through. It just gave them a justification.

  83. jomicur says:

    The man is vile, no doubt about it. He’s a Roman Catholic cardinal, Q.E.D. But pope?! The chance that the college of cardinals will elect a black pope is roughly the same as the chance that the Republican Party will nominate a candidate with an IQ running to three digits.

  84. medium lebowski says:

    Racist vs. unintelligent.

  85. Kayaker 007 says:

    I wouldn’t put it past the RCC to pick this African Cardinal since the church is really all about the money, and now Africa’s natural resources are where it’s at. #WhatHappened2MyVatican2?

  86. colleen2 says:

    After about 25 years of living in an unnatural sexless celibacy they
    become so warped and twisted by their teachings that they act out
    sexually only with those they can keep silent or control — children and
    male prostitutes.

    So, you’re claiming that a sexual attraction to children is a natural result of prolonged celibacy?

  87. Stev84 says:

    The better you are at covering up child abuse and the more fundamentalist you are, the better the chances of a red hat.

  88. colleen2 says:

    I must admit that I’ve spent several minutes imagining what the impact of a Pope Turkson in the former slave holding states will be like after reading this article. I think Louisiana will be particularly entertaining.

  89. medium lebowski says:

    Wow. How do they select these top people in the Catholic church?

  90. nicho says:

    We’ve got 1,000. Do I hear 10,000?

  91. nicho says:


  92. FLL says:

    My parents were the type to go to Mass once or twice a year, but now that you mention it, there was a senior priest (the “monsignor”) and two younger priests for one parish. There’s no way that one parish could support that now. Catholic church attendance today is a shadow of what it was not too long ago. In Hindu terms, it’s karma in action. In colloquial English, they’re chickens are coming home to roost.

  93. Yeah I was impressed he actually did something about it, including saying he’s not going to rome.

  94. Stev84 says:

    The homophobia in Africa is nearly 100% the result of laws imposed by colonial powers (especially the British), indoctrination by Christian missionaries and recent meddling by American evangelicals. Before that, same-sex relationships were either tolerated in some circumstances by some tribes or just not talked about. Uganda of course wasn’t accepting before The Family and Rick Warren stirred up shit, but they didn’t care about it much either.

  95. nicho says:

    Of course it is, which is why they’re closing and consolidating churches. Also the ranks of the priesthood are stretched pretty thin. In the past, parishes used to have two, three, or four priests. Now, one priest is handling two or three parishes.

    In the church where I grew up, one of nine Catholic churches in the city of 40,000, we used to have five masses on Sunday, and they were all standing room only. Now, they have two masses — and you could fire a cannon through the church during mass and not hit anyone.

  96. nicho says:

    Nearly every one of the cardinals who will be in the conclave were chosen solely on the basis of their adherence to right-wing ideology. Wotyla and Ratzi spent 35 years stacking the deck. Anyone who wanted advancement in the church had to sign loyalty oaths, swearing loyalty to Wotyla/Ratzi and their far-right agenda. The two of them managed to purge not only the college or cardinals but the episcopate of anyone who showed any signs of being “liberal.” I wouldn’t look for anything surprising — unless they find an African who is even more right wing.

    I think Ratzi’s brother may have let the cat out of the bag. He said that the church may be ready for a pope from one of the (his words) “new continents,” i.e. Africa and Latin America, but not right yet.

  97. nicho says:

    Pedophiles join hundreds of organizations to have access to children — YMCA’s, Yeshivas, Boy Scouts, Boys and Girls Clubs. Some become teachers — just look at the number of female teachers having sex with young boys.

  98. Gaylib says:

    Not true. They just end up having sex with other men. Pedophiles also see the priesthood as a place to hide. Pedophiles and gays are not the same, and gay people do not become pedophiles. You’re just feeding into this insidious lie.

  99. 2patricius2 says:

    Two comments. First is that this shows the fairy tale mindset of people at the top of the RC leadership. Myths are considered reality. These are not unintelligent men, but some of the things they teach as truth are really ignorant and bizarre.
    The second comment is that when I was in Africa giving seminars back in the early eighties, I heard of a scandal of African priests who were found to be molesting children. If this bishop really believes that pedophilia is not an African thing and is limited to whites, he is astoundingly ignorant.

  100. ARP says:

    -Pedophiles join the church to have access to children

    – Pedophiles join the church to try to cloister themselves from acting on their urges, but they inevitably act out.
    – I don’t buy the “Catholic church warps homosexual” theory for most of these cases, but they could be out there.

  101. nicho says:

    Yeah, this cardinal is the very epitome of racism. So, at least we know that racism isn’t just a white thing.

  102. nicho says:

    As long as the leaders are still living like Renaissance princes, that ain’t gonna happen.

  103. nicho says:

    Interesting question. What’s going to happen to all the Catholics who voted for a Mormon because they were so racist they couldn’t vote a black guy as president? This would certainly put them in a quandary.

  104. nicho says:

    A friend of mine got married in a Lutheran church. I was amazed and amused to see that they had a stained glass window that depicted Luther preaching with one foot on the neck of the pope, who was cringing on the ground.

  105. nicho says:

    Don’t forget that Ratzi was a power behind the throne for Wotyla, so he had a hand in choosing almost all of the cardinals who will be in the conclave.

  106. It’s actually the opposite. Catholicism condemns homosexuality, and so young gay catholics become priests to save themselves from hell and so they never have to come out or explain why they don’t have wives. After about 25 years of living in an unnatural sexless celibacy they become so warped and twisted by their teachings that they act out sexually only with those they can keep silent or control — children and male prostitutes. It is the church’s pernicious and warped view of sex that is creating malevolent and perverse Catholic priests.

  107. Steve_in_CNJ says:

    Will Ronald Reagan get credit for that, too?

  108. Steve_in_CNJ says:

    Good choice. No one has ever matched Luther’s hatred for Holy Roman Church.

  109. DCinDC says:

    This man will destroy the Church. He will split it into 1000 pieces.

  110. AggieCowboy says:

    According to the prophecies of Malachi (or, at least, some interpretation of them), the next pope will be the last. And the last pope (according to Malachi) will be Petrus Romanus. “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.” Peter Turkano…persecution of the RCC (sex scandals, slave labor, other?)…just saying…prophecy seems to be self-fulfilling itself.

  111. nicho says:

    But at least the sexual harrassing cardinal Keith O’Brien has resigned. That was quick. Must be a lot more there than meets the eye.


  112. Bj Lincoln says:

    Wow! This is scary! The next poop could be pulled out of a time machine with every prejudice possible. The ignorence is amazing! Yup, this is just what the RCC needs. The really are in their own world. Maybe we can get Silver to predict when the walls will come tumbling down.

  113. silas1898 says:

    This is just a leaky trial balloon to try and convince people they’re not racists too. Since Benny the Rat appointed over half of the cardinals and JPII installed the rest, it’s likely the next Pope will be even more rigid and old school than this one.

    I can’t understand why people still support this racket. If you need a church, go join the Lutherans. It’s basically the same thing with less mumbo-jumbo.

  114. cole3244 says:

    if it is possible to set the catholic church back even further in relation to the contemporary times then electing this neanderthal to be pope is one way of accomplishing that, if this is another way to drive intelligent & compassionate people away from religion then i am all for it.

  115. Dave of the Jungle says:

    I call on the Roman Catholic Church to disband, forthwith.

  116. SoLeftImRight says:

    Nice to know that the heinous views of the Catholic church extend beyond nationality and racial boundaries. This Turkson character is lucky nobody’s working on a “kill the bigots” bill.

  117. Leota2 says:

    The only way this man will do any good for humanity is if he becomes cloistered in a monastery and never allowed out to legislate, deal with people or comment on ANYTHING ever again.

  118. FLL says:

    Some of these Catholic churchmen sound so ignorant–and so stunningly tone-deaf–that they may as well be living on another planet. The Catholic Church implodes further every day. I’m sure their revenue from weekly church attendance is declining in the U.S.

  119. UncleBucky says:

    Gosh, we are spoiled for choice, aren’t we, in the election of Pope?

    Other than who are the worst (Turkson, etc.) let’s get a list of who are the most Liberal/Progressive cardinals who still link back to the advances of Vatican II?

    I know we need to know about the worst, but let’s get a view of the best in the RCC, if exist.

    And one more thing. Archbishops are generally the leaders of the clergy. Cardinals are really only electors (as in the electors who chose the Holy Roman Emperor in the past). So, given that, which archbishops in the RCC, their analogs in the Orthodox Church(es), archbishops in the Anglican Communion, similar leaders in other Christian (not christianIST) congregations are representative of liberal/progressive/leftist Christianity?

    For reference:
    * Liberation Theology – Gustavo Gutierrez, et al.
    * Catholic Worker Movement – Dorothy Day
    * The Social Gospel – the protestant version of Liberation Theology

    As it stands now, I really don’t care anymore if the RCC is going to put an arch-conservative on the throne. I would consider caring if they put a person who isn’t so totally nihilistic, cruel and uncaring as some of the recent popes have been (excepting John XXIII and JP1, and maybe Paul VI and Leo XIII…)

    But it’s like a lot of things. They have poisoned the well.

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