Mormons join religious right bigots in filing brief in support of Prop 8

There they go again. After claiming they were toning down the hate after single-handedly getting Prop 8 passed in California in 2008, and ripping the right of marriage away from millions of gays in California, the militant Mormons are back with a vengeance.

Hate took a holiday. It’s back now.

Chris Johnson reports in the Washington Blade that they Mormons have joined other religious right bigots in filing a brief before the Supreme Court defending Prop 8. (Prop 8 will be argued before the Supreme Court in March.)

And as always, the Mormons, and the other religious right groups, are just as arrogant as ever in their brief. From the Blade:

Mormons Salt Lake Temple via Shutterstock

Mormons Salt Lake Temple via Shutterstock

The participation of the Church of Latter-Day Saints in a legal brief filed by religious groups in favor of California’s Proposition 8 is vexing an organization that advocates for LGBT Mormons.

In a 38-page friend-of-the-court brief, filed before the Supreme Court Jan. 29, religious groups — including the Mormon Church — emphasize that justices shouldn’t strike down Prop 8 on the basis of religious support for the anti-gay amendment. The brief is signed by Von Keech, a Utah-based private attorney who has previously assisted the Mormon Church, as well as other private attorneys with his firm Alexander Dushku, R. Shawn Gunnarson and Kirton McConkie.

“[O]ur members supported Proposition 8 based on sincere beliefs in the value of traditional marriage for children, families, society, and our republican form of government,” the brief states. “Only a demeaning view of religion and religious believers could dismiss our advocacy of Proposition 8 as ignorance, prejudice, or animus.”

Yes. The people who had/have a problem with blacks, women, Latinos, and gays would like us to believe that their militant hate-filled activism isn’t hate-filled.  Is the Pope Catholic?

And Chris reports that the same motley crew, along with the Mormons, filed a brief in the DOMA case that’s coming before the Supreme Court in March as well.

You have to laugh when the Mormons get on their high-horse about the “traditional definition of marriage.”  For Mormons, there was no tradition before the mid 1800s.  And their tradition after that was polygamy.  So seriously, Mormons are going to lecture us about the traditional definition of marriage?  Oh but they do:

Mormon brief traditional marriage

And even more about “traditional marriage”:

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What all of this means, of course, is that the Mormons lied.  Again.  Just like they did to the Jewish community when they said, back in the mid-1990s, that they would stop trying to steal the souls of Jewish Holocaust victims in secret posthumous baptisms.  They didn’t stop.  The Mormons are on the 9th attempt to steal Anne Frank’s soul, last time we checked. The Mormons also secretly baptized President Obama’s deceased mother, without his permission or knowledge, right before the 2008 election.

And they lied when they claimed that they were going to tone done their militant anti-gay activism.  They did for a while.  Then they stopped. And now they’re back.

The Mormons are awfully interested in people liking them.  That’s I’m sure a large part of the reason they’ve been so busy sucking up to some of the biggest bigots and haters in America the past two decades.  In the hopes of making friends with people, ironically, who don’t really think the Mormons are Christians to begin with.  But the Mormons have deep pockets. And they got the religious right’s attention, for now.

The Mormons also launched a $6 million “I’m a Mormon” ad campaign a few years back.  Yeah, well, I’m a Mormon victim, and here’s our ad:

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39 Responses to “Mormons join religious right bigots in filing brief in support of Prop 8”

  1. Stev84 says:

    Their involvement in Prop 8 was a huge PR disaster for them. Officially they’ve tried to distance themselves from it. That’s the real issue here. They’ve said they’ve changed a bit, but clearly they haven’t.

  2. Mormons joined far right religious bigots? They are far right religious bigots. They weren’t alone in this anti-liberty fight. They partnered with the Other Church, the Roman Catholic bishops of the US. A pox on both their houses.

  3. Houndentenor says:

    It’s only natural that the Mormon Church would file a brief in support of Prop 8. They financed Prop 8, after all.

  4. EdA says:

    It’s too bad that, as far as I know, there are no legal sanctions to bar lawyers from intentionally telling lies that they know are lies in legal briefs.

    Incidentally, it is my understanding that Mormons are allowed — indeed, encouraged — to engage in posthumous marriages through “sealing” and that polygamous “sealing” is still permitted, if not necessarily actively encouraged.

  5. Butch1 says:

    Interesting. Doesn’t want those nasty stretch marks.

  6. karmanot says:

    Because they consider her a sister soul?

  7. Ninong says:

    Another interesting fact about the five Romney sons: Three of them have used IVF, which many Christian fundamentalists say murders baby embryos. Sticking with the number three, Taggart, 42, and his 36-yr-old wife, Jennifer, used the same gestational-surrogate mother for their last three sons. Tagg and Jenn have a daughter, followed by five sons.

  8. tedhayes says:

    What do you mean, Mormons join religious right bigots. They are founding members.

  9. karmanot says:

    Let’s submit an animus brief against the Mormons!

  10. ronbo says:

    My guess: the bigots in charge.

    I’ve never had a Catholic, or Mormon or SBB parishner attack me (of course, they are friends, co-workers and school mates). It’s always the leadership…as if they are impotent and trying to prove that they are “in charge”. These bigots are swimming against the tide; I hope they start drowning.

    “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” ~ Lord Acton.

  11. BeccaM says:

    Clearly given the attorney involved, this effort is originating in Utah, considered the home of the Mormon faith.

    By what right are they inserting themselves — and their funds raised across all of America — into the internal affairs of California state civil marriage law?

    And yes, their position is predicated on ignorance (to wit, their repeated claims that sexual orientation is a choice), prejudice (similarly, their repeated slander that gay and lesbian-headed families are morally wrong and bad for children), and animus (again, they claim that being gay is evil, and that gay people deserve no civil rights whatsoever). That’s not a demeaning view of religion. That’s just stating the facts.

    Moreover, once more, the Mormons and their right wing fundamentalist allies claim without justification to speak for all religions with their message of intolerance and hate. This is also presumption.

  12. Phaerisee says:

    Franklin Graham said they are Christian, but Mormons worship a pantheon of Gods. This is against the FIrst Commandment. #1. I Am the Lord Thy God, Thou Shalt not Have Strange Gods Before Me.

  13. Bill_Perdue says:

    For the moment the only penalties the cults face for their blatant interference in civil matters is the possible – and very unlikely – loss of their exempt status.

    That has to change. In a decent society cult attempts to impose their superstition based designs into otherwise valid discussions of civil maters should be criminalized. Beyond that they should be prosecuted for criminal conspiracies to abuse children and their schools and ‘charities’ secularized without compensation as a rape prevention measure.

    Religion is the enemy.

  14. Neville Ross says:

    Why is this cult still allowed to be such a big part of American society?

  15. Stev84 says:

    Also very ironic coming from a cult that routinely kicks its gay kids out on the street. The vast majority of homeless kids in Salt Lake City are LGBT. The percentage is even higher than the already high national average.

  16. Stev84 says:

    There is a deadline for these briefs. Actually there are different deadlines for the pro-gay and anti-gay sides. Which is why mostly the anti-gay briefs have been released so far.

  17. Butch1 says:

    Then there were the Romney’s who basically run from their problems. ( e.g. polygamy, went to Mexico; avoid the Vietnam draft, go to France on a Mission; pretend your five boys are serving their country by helping YOU run for office. ) The Romney’s have always avoided conflict instead of facing it whilst other Mormons went to Vietnam and actually served their country by fighting and marry only one woman. Interesting.

  18. Butch1 says:

    So he would like us to think. ;-)

    He’s still Ratzinger from the Inquisition, to me. ;-)

  19. As an ex-Mormon I am looking so very forward to the high court overturning Prop 8 or failing that we Californians overturning it ourselves in 2016. The pleasure of knowing that the brethren wasted millions of dollars in their effort to stop the march toward justice. I am angry yes, but also hopeful that the capstone of LGBT rights, with the likely reversal of DOMA, will have come in part because of all the blatant bigotry that the Roman and Mormon church mustered against us.

  20. I wouldn’t bet on it.

  21. Doesn’t it make ya wonder how He finds time for this when He is otherwise occupied controlling the position of every atom in the universe?

    And now, you expect Him to have His own porn collection?

  22. Hey, don’tcha know that the current Nazi (and all ) Popes are infallible?

    Just ask him.

  23. Naja pallida says:

    Well, if their beliefs were really as strong as they try to claim, you would think that they would never have to do it more than once. Continuing to do it over and over, just in case the first time didn’t stick, sounds to me like one is doubting the power of their own faith.

  24. “The Mormons are on the 9th attempt to steal Anne Frank’s soul, last time we checked.”

    Can anybody inform me as to how they know when they’ve been successful as cuz an atheist, this is all gobbledygook to me?

  25. Naja pallida says:

    Renouncing polygamy was basically a condition of allowing them statehood, though it was imposed on them as a territory as well… and they fought it all the way to the Supreme Court until a unanimous decision against them. Even after that, there were still known LDS members practicing polygamy for over another fifty years, but every time it was brought up, the church had to make a point of saying they don’t approve of it. To this day, they actively discourage interracial marriage, but don’t prevent it.

    Seems to me that it is simple proof that they are capable of adapting to the reality of the times. They just like being on the wrong side of history.

  26. Badgerite says:

    This is the concept that our laws are based on: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. We are not a utilitarian society, as in how do we use people to fulfill the stated goals of society. We are a society where the state exists to help fulfill the goals of the people within it to a better life. All of the people within it. The people don’t exist for the state, the state exists for the people. I don’t know if they are aware of this, but during our revolutionary period we broke with A LOT of “age old, traditional understandings” like, for instance, Divine Right of Kings, or the State having the right to tell you what religious beliefs will be allowed going all the way back to the Roman Empire and citizens being required to worship Caesar as a God. ( see second destruction of the Jewish Temple and Jewish diaspora ) And throughout our history we have broken with a great many of our legally sanctioned past traditions, women and children as the property of the husband comes to mind. You might say there was a lot of “legal protection” for males, not so much for females and their children. That was the way it was, ‘traditionally’. And we changed that. Because it was unfair and unjust and it served no genuine or compelling state interest. The one characterization I agree with in their brief is that marriage is a social institution. Yet in almost the same breath they characterize marriage as ” the union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony”. For life? So what about divorce. The legally recognized right to divorce seems to me an acknowledgement by the state that the the social institution of marriage exists to further the goals and the happiness of the people WITHIN the marriage. Not the interests of the state. And most assuredly not to further the interests of religions within the state. For when a couple find that their marriage no longer furthers their personal goals in life, children or no children, they are allowed to end the marriage. And, I believe, the statistics say that fully half of all ‘traditional’ first marriages do, indeed, end in divorce. And then there is the legally recognized right of companies to market and individuals to purchase birth control. (see Eisenstadt) Again, the state has already legally recognized that the individual may have other legitimate reasons to marry other than procreation and child rearing. Has it not? And are those reasons not uniquely personal? Having to do with individual fulfillment and securing to your mate and yourself the financial and emotional benefits that a legally recognized marriage can confer.

    And one last point. Did the state not recognize the ‘traditional’ marriage of Theodore Bundy who got married in Florida while on trial for multiple murders of young women in that state, the last murder being that of a 12 year old girl whom he kidnapped from her school pretending to be a fire marshal or something, and took out into the countryside and killed. He was a man. He married a woman. So that made it ‘traditional’ and legally recognized by the state and most religions.

    In order to form a more perfect union, our laws have to make sense and further the well being and happiness of the people within that society. When laws are mindlessly adopted from the past and mindlessly applied, they do not further this end.

  27. FLL says:

    Thank you for saying it! The Christian and Mormon churches have gotten away with murder when it comes to taxes. Look at towns where a large part of the real estate is owned by churches. The tax base goes down because the filthy rich churches don’t even pay property taxes, so, of course, everyone else has to make up the difference. Does the Xtianist clergy still think that they’re the First Estate in pre-revolutionary France? We live in revolutionary times, and tax reform will be the next major project. Hard economic times are the best times to convince people that we can’t afford to give the churches the same services everyone else gets (like police, fire, roads, infrastructure, etc) and yet receive not one dime from them in return while they rake in billions from the faithful. Tax the SOBs!

  28. Butch1 says:

    These catholics should be censured from ever offering any amicus briefs until they are brought in front of a court for their crimes against the children for harboring those pedophile priests and being an assessory to their crimes by allowing them to continue raping children when they move them to other parishes without warning the next parish. All the way up to the top with this POPE is guilty of crimes for concealing that evidence that he still holds and will NOT let it out. Cardinal Law is still being kept in sanctuary in the Vatican so he won’t have to answer for his part in these crimes.

    This church and its amicus should be thrown out because of this. Their word is not trustworthy.

  29. hollywoodstein says:

    Literally, hundreds of documented pedophile priests. In the old days, before video cameras, goD was always coming downstairs smiting people for the smallest transgressions. Nowadays, with video cameras, goD is nowhere to be found when men of the clothe are diddling youngsters in the inner sanctums of houses of worship.
    It’s the kind of thing that should make any believer wonder. After all, any one of us would make a better god than goD. If we, since we were a god and thus all knowing, knew some kid was getting diddled by some priest, especially in the apse of our church, we, unlike the goD of the bible, would come downstairs and smite said priest unlike the shittiest, most immoral god that ever was, who evidently knows this is happening, since being goD he is all knowing, but merely chooses to watch. The obvious conclusion is god is a perverted voyeur, who has less of a moral compass than we do. Yet people still worship this invisible being for whom there is no evidence of his existence, except that if he does exist we know he likes to watch little children get diddled by priests, more than he likes to stop little children get diddled by priests.

    Will wonders never cease?

  30. Butch1 says:

    What is ironic is their religion used to follow the “traditional” form of having many wives ( sans the concubines ) the bible mentions before this government forced them to abandon poly-marriages for the modal that is accepted by them today. Now they pretend to be all for the “new traditional” marriages and pontificate along with the knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing fundamentalists who think the Constitution is based on the Buybull and that this country was made for christians only. If you are of any other faith you are held in suspicion and be careful if you are an atheist.

    We have let religion and its religious masters have too much say in our government where they do NOT belong. We need to drive them out of it and back into the churches, synagogues, and other temples where they practice their religions and where they belong. If they are going to become lobbyists then we need to stop exempting them from taxes and make them pay their fair share like everyone else.

  31. sunmusing says:

    Tax them….tax them all…tax them until they squeal…they have way too much money doing harm in our country….the wall of separation needs to be rebuilt and fortified…if this country fails it would be on the heads of the “churches” in this country….wall streeters are Godless heathens willing to sacrifice virgins on the alter of MONEY…Greed….and Power….

  32. nicho says:

    And the Catholic church, despite releasing thousands of pages of damning documents in it’s long history of systematic child rape, is still obstructing justice — an act ordered by the current crime boss in Rome Joseph Ratzinger — by withholding other documents. The organization has absolutely no moral authority with which to speak.

  33. Bose says:

    This rationalization is new: “…imagine a new law declaring that parents have no legal duty to support a child beyond his fourteenth birthday.”

    Riiiight, because marriage equality is just like giving parents the legal option to abandon their teenage kids.

    Talk about a hideous analogy, given that religion is exactly the reason LGBT kids have been put on the streets by their parents all too often.

  34. MyrddinWilt says:

    Having failed in their bid for being recognized as a mainstream religion by getting Mittens elected President, it is back to business as usual.

    There are other Mormons in Congress of course, Nobody can hope to get elected from Utah unless they are LDS. But there isn’t another Mormon politician who has been elected to a major office who isn’t from Utah or a neighboring state like Nevada.

    But give it another couple of decades and the LDS will flip on this just like they did on racism and their ‘mark of Cain’ bigotry. Because after opposing every social progress, the LDS is always there wanting to get recognition for having renounced its past bigotry long after it could have actually played a positive role.

  35. FLL says:

    Many lawyers would wait until just before the Court begins hearing oral arguments in March before filing a brief. Many politicians would wait until that time to deny Fox News several weeks of their inevitable anti-gay media campaign. No matter. Keep up a loud drumbeat to demand that the DOJ file an amicus brief against Prop 8. Experience has shown that loud demands and heavy media pressure works with this administration, e.g., fighting DOMA in the court system and endorsing marriage equality. The New York Times is on the right track.

  36. hollywoodstein says:

    Why does any Moron or other religious bigot get to go on teevee and pretend to be a member of civilized society while arguing against any persons right to be free? Will wonders never cease?

  37. hollywoodstein says:

    Morons cowed the mainstream media from asking their candidate about his freaking insane belief system during his bid to run our country because mainstream media do not ask other candidates (or Supreme Court Justices) about their freaking insane belief systems, mainly because most members of churches with insane freaking belief systems do not really believe their insane freaking belief systems, so they do little harm, but still they must lie about believing insane freaking belief systems, like talking snakes, and virgin births, and dead bodies resurrecting like zombies, and floating up into the air to seat at the “right hand” of an all powerful, all knowing invisible sky dude who loves you but will get all bent out of shape if you do not worship him, and will damn you to a hell to burn in fire for all eternity like a petulant eighth grader if you don’t. See, it all makes perfect sense.
    Romney’s Moron belief system should have been a legitimate topic of discussion for someone who wanted to handle the nuclear codes, but too many US citizens are deluded about zombie Jesus so it’s probably best that they buried any discussion of belief systems untenable in the face of reality, since otherwise the religious believers might realize they are being manipulated by a ruling class due to their belief in freaking insane belief systems.

  38. S1AMER says:

    Guess: Who will be the last group to abandon organized, faith-based homophobia? The Catholic Church? The Mormons? Southern Bible Belters?

  39. Steve_in_CNJ says:

    “Do you promise to love, honor and cherish her, forsaking all others and demeaning Mormonism forevermore?”

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