Mormons want gay Scouts to bring back polygamy, religious right says

They don’t call ’em a hate group for nothing.  Bryan Fischer, a radio host for the religious right group American Family Association, which was officially designated a hate group a few years back, says that Mormons are going soft on their traditional opposition to all things gay.  Why?  Because, Fischer says, the Mormons want to bring back polygamy.

It would be easy to write Fischer off as just another religious right nut, but he’s one of the most important evangelical nuts out there.  Fischer works for the American Family Association, one of the handful of most influential religious right groups in the US.  And Republicans routinely go on Fischer’s radio show in an effort to woo the evangelical vote, and that includes GOP presidential candidates.

AFA is extremely influential in the GOP

Check out the who’s-who of the GOP who have appeared on Fischer’s show, or even with Fischer on stage:

Fischer frequently hosts likely presidential candidates who are looking to make inroads among Religious Right voters. Former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, former House speaker Newt Gingrich, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and businessman Herman Cain have all appeared on Fischer’s radio show. In addition, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour were both guests on Fischer’s show while they were weighing runs for the presidency.

Last year at the Values Voter Summit, which was co-sponsored by AFA Action, Fischer shared a stage with Huckabee, Bachmann, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell and Indiana Rep. Mike Pence.

Many GOP members of Congress have also been guests on Fischer’s radio show, including: Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina, Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, Sen. Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, Rep. Chris Smith of New Jersey, Rep. Steve Kingof Iowa, Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia, Rep. Raul Labrador of Idaho, of Mississippi and Rep. Tim Huelskamp of Kansas. Among the major conservative activists who have appeared on Focal Point are Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, David Barton of WallBuilders, Phyllis Schlafly of Eagle Forum and Amy Kremer of the Tea Party Express.

So its a rather big deal when Fischer spouts off, as he’s doing now about the Mormons’ latest outrage, in his eyes, not quitting the Boy Scouts over their decision to permit gay scouts (keep in mind, the Boy Scouts are still banning gay scoutmasters and volunteers).

The AFA's Bryan Fischer.

The AFA’s Bryan Fischer.

Mormons want to bring back polygamy

Fischer says the reason the Mormons have “gone soft on the homosexual agenda” is that they want the gays to bring back polygamy, so that Mormon founder Joseph Smith’s good name can be cleared up:

“As the homosexual agenda advances, the next domino to fall is going to be the ban against polygamy.  The LDS leadership, these people are smart, they’re sharp, they’re thinking all the time and I believe one of the reasons they may have gone soft on the homosexual agenda is that they believe that the homosexual agenda may be the secret to restoring polygamy to America and this would vindicate Mormon doctrine from the very beginning.”

Got that?

All kidding aside, you could write this guy off if the Republican party didn’t routinely suck up to him and his organization.  Sadly, Fischer is emblematic of the larger problem the Republican party faces (and it’s the same dilemma the conservative party in France is now facing): Once you hitch your wagon to hate, it’s extremely difficult to un-hitch later on when your poll numbers start going down because the your hate-friends hate, and end up alienating, most of the voters.

Mormons need to wake up and realizes that evangelicals don’t like them

But there’s a second warning here, and it’s for the Mormons.  Conservative Christians don’t like you folks.  They don’t think you worship Jesus, they’re convinced you’re a cult.  A convenient, expedient cult, since you have lots of money, and a penchant for spending it targeting progressives and their causes.  But at the end of the day, they still think you’re freaks of nature.

On the left, a lot of us don’t like you, to be sure, since you’ve spent tens of millions hurting people like gays and women and blacks.  But the thing with the left, is we forgive – 0nce you’ve done your penance.  But when push comes to shove, if you stop beating us up, we don’t care if you worship the flying spaghetti monster, so long as you leave us alone.  On the religious right, there will never come a time when Mormons are not perceived as other-than-Christian.  And if the religious right still thinks Catholics aren’t Christians, and still claims that Catholics worship Satan, then what chance do the Morons seriously think they have with these people?

Ironically, the Mormons made the same marriage of convenience with the religious right that the Republican party, and French conservatives, did.  It was very Machiavellian of all three.  And terribly short-sighted.  When you team up with someone whose primary motivating force in life is hate, it shouldn’t surprise you that in the end they’ll up end hating you too.

CyberDisobedience on Substack | @aravosis | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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94 Responses to “Mormons want gay Scouts to bring back polygamy, religious right says”

  1. David Buxton says:

    Wow, this whole article is a giant, slanted, hate-filled, pile of garbage. Barely a word of truth in there.

  2. christopher says:

    polygamy is realy cool and awesome too.

  3. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    The belief in Jesus doesn’t define Christianity, although it is part of it. Christianity is defined by belief in the Trinity. Since Mormons believe that Jesus is a created being, they don’t believe in the Trinity. Belief in the Trinity is believing that God, Jesus, and the Holy spirit have existed since the beginning.

  4. BeccaM says:

    You missed the very first two letter word of my sentence: IF.

  5. Jason says:

    So based on the generalization all deadbeat dads are somehow Mormon? How many millions are on welfare that should not be?

  6. Jason says:

    Polygamy has been banned in Mormon church since 1890. Any polygamists are removed from the church

  7. Jason says:

    Download a copy of one of the books Mormons believe in. There are 3209 mentions of Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon. Not one reference of a pantheon of gods. A few obscure passages mention multiple gods but those are not in Book of Mormon. There are many Mormons in the military and many Mormons vote and Dallin Oaks is a Supreme Court Justice. Sounds like a democracy to me.

  8. Jason says:

    Are you dead? How do you know so much about souls? So confused that you know so much about them.

  9. Jason says:

    Mandatory proselytism? The proselyting is done at a cost of $7000-8000 out of their own pocket.

  10. blah says:

    How can any of you demand acceptance when you talk about others in such a disrespectful way? Mormons are beginning to accept and tolerate, stop expecting them to celebrate when you can’t yet tolerate in return.

  11. Rambie says:

    ^^- I’m with Sweetie. I have no real issue either with polygamy but it’s not tied to marriage equality.

  12. karmanot says:

    They were probably remembering the Mountain Meadows massacre.

  13. karmanot says:

    You are off track BFD. There is no bigotry in looking at the stats and seeing that black males are the highest percentage of incarcerated in our for profit prison systems, or that black mothers and children rank high in food scarcity and safe housing, or that Obama has done nil for school systems with high poor black communities or for that matter, done anything to support unions, the working poor, or countered anti voting laws. You surprise me. I never figured you for an Obot. Asshole

  14. George Melby says:

    The American right… the American right…! My question is, “Why can’t the American stop its own implosion and finally get it “right,” instead of always wrong??! Being 100% wrong constantly is disgustingly difficult to do, much less tolerate!!

  15. BillFromDover says:

    Thene again, anybody that harbors even an inkling that one religion can co-opt souls from another is in serious need of either extensive therapy or one more jolt of Clear-Channel BafaPut©.

  16. BillFromDover says:

    And all this time, I thought their Gods were 12 and 13 year-old helpless girls!

    Silly me.

  17. BillFromDover says:

    “How’s that first black president working out for you folks?”

    For me, he’s working out just fine.

    But that’s only me and I’ll be the first to admit it.

    In other words, take your blackness bigotry and shove it up your blackness!

  18. BillFromDover says:

    “…the Mormons want to bring back polygamy.”

    Bring it back… when did it ever leave?

  19. d3clark says:

    When beavers were fish and other tales of the RCC’s belief system. or How we can subvert anything for money and power.

  20. BeccaM says:

    S’cool. It was just weird how when I suggested at least when the Mormons lose a gay rights fight, they’re not as sore losers as the fundies who break out the baseball bats and jugs of gasoline, that both you and Myrddyn posted comments that seemed to suggest I was out of line for saying so.

  21. Rick says:

    I am sorry I have no sympathy for the Mormons. They are just as bigoted at the so-called Christian right and the Catholic Church.

  22. d3clark says:

    I guess my snark font didn’t come through on my previous post. ;^)

  23. BeccaM says:

    *shrugs* I can gauge different levels of evil, and some are worse than others. The Democratic party taught me tons about Lesser Evilism and its application to social and political policies.

  24. BeccaM says:

    Pfft. If there is such a thing as an immortal soul, no Mormon or any other hokey religion can touch it or make that soul accept something against its will.

    Their silly baptisms are an insult, nothing more, and an expression of disrespect to surviving relatives and friends.

    That’s way different than being beaten to within an inch of your life and being threatened with death.

  25. karmanot says:

    If one could keep the men in a separate shed, it would be more convenient. I have been very happy with 20 yrs of monogamous bonding myself and it just gets richer as time goes by.

  26. karmanot says:


  27. MyrddinWilt says:

    Oh isn’t that special when the highest praise that comes to mind for mainstream parts of the GOP is that they don’t actually go round talking about killing us when they lose.

    I thought it was bad enough when the best that could be said for George (Bush) II was that he did actually leave the oval office when his time was up.

    Benedict XVI: At least there is no evidence he raped any boys himself

    Anton Scalia: He only violated his oath of office to steal one Presidential election

    Dick Cheney: Probably not the anti-christ

  28. Zorba says:

    Okay, Becc, you must be a fellow history buff!
    Love that history stuff, myself. ;-)

  29. Whitewitch says:

    Glad I never had to be a hopper

  30. Whitewitch says:

    Love this one been married 3 times and love each of them. It is a matter of compaionship for me. I want a friend, companion and lover all rolled into one. And each marriage was better for the previous one. Third time was the charm

  31. Zorba says:

    Well, K., if the polygamous Mormon men are indeed inadequate lovers, then to me, that would argue strongly for polyandry- several men for each woman. Got have a few men to keep each woman happy sexually.

    PS Not that I would necessarily want to deal with a lot of men underfoot. And not that I, myself am unhappy with my own monogamous situation, you should understand. ;-)

  32. d3clark says:

    “When they don’t get their way, they don’t turn violent or indulge in eliminationist rhetoric and threats.” No, they wait till after you’re dead, then baptize you. So you become a Mormon and they win in the end. Remember, they baptized Obama’s mother. That made Obama Mormon as matrilineal zombie blood kin to a deceased new LDS member. Thus, his policies have shifted rightward.

  33. MyrddinWilt says:

    But the way the AFA is behaving rather suggests that they are not united.

    The AFA behavior looks to me to be the sort of thing that gets said in a rather nasty divorce. Its not quite the truth but the AFA knows that there is just enough truth there to really hurt.

    This is their way of telling the LDS people they were never welcome at the evangelical right’s party.

    Lets see if LDS gets the message.

  34. Sweetie says:

    There is no sexual orientation for polygamy or polyandry beyond bisexuality, so marriage would be limited to threesomes. I cannot think of any justification for a larger unit.

  35. Sweetie says:

    However, one might argue that bisexuals’ existence mandates the extension of marriage beyond the pair bond to the threesome.

  36. Sweetie says:

    Same-sex marriage is merely the recognition of the fact that gay people exist. It is hardly akin to the comparatively radical paradigm shift that multiple spouses entails.

  37. Sweetie says:

    Slippery slope is only fallacious when the alleged trend is not significantly furthered by an action, that significant causation is not involved.

    People should keep in mind that the “foot in the door” aspect of psychology does exist, too.

  38. Sweetie says:

    The typo is easy to make, including as a Freudian slip.

  39. Sweetie says:

    Same-sex marriage’s only connection with polygamy is that it is a revision upon the system of heterosexual superiority restricted to (opposite-sex) pair bonding. It is a much more minor revision, since it is also pair-bonding and merely is the recognition of the fact that gay people exist. Polygamy and polyandry involve radically changing the paradigm.

  40. Sweetie says:

    Marriage was mainly about property and social status. Now it has morphed into love/identity. The main reason to stay married for many people is jealousy/insecurity. We can’t quite fathom how a non-ownership culture would work, and that includes the raising of children.

  41. Sweetie says:

    “The ‘vicious authoritarian patriarchal superstructure’ of the Mormons,
    and the Evangelicals and the Muslims, for that matter, is what I find
    profoundly objectionable.”

    And the Catholics, and many of the non-reform Jews. And, the “secular” culture we inhabit – the cult of demented plutocracy.

  42. Sweetie says:

    “If we are serious about marriage equality then we are going to have to
    have a better argument against polygamy than ‘because it has always been
    this way’.”

    Marriage is pair bonding in Western culture, although there is also a strong history of having mistresses and concubines (for elite men). In some other cultures, such as in parts of Africa and so forth, marriage includes polygamy. And, as far as I know, there is at least one polyandrous culture still around.

    We don’t need arguments against polygamy because it really has very little to do with legal recognition of same-sex pair bonding. Arguing for an expansion of marriage to encompass multiple spouses is a very different thing. Personally, I don’t have a problem with multiple spouses because if bisexuals truly exist then it makes sense for them to marry one member of each sex. But, the bottom line is that, when marriage is defined as pair bonding, there is NO redefinition taking place when same-sex pair bonds are recognized. This is because homosexuals exist and marry each other.

  43. Sweetie says:

    “what chance do the Morons seriously think they have with these people?”


    Mormonism is the most rapidly expanding religion because of its combination of mandatory tithing and mandatory proselytism.

  44. karmanot says:

    Good point! Exactly ,and that is what funds the cohesiveness of those communities. Government sponsored theocracy.

  45. karmanot says:

    Higher powa=clean and soba

  46. karmanot says:

    Such irony. The black community voted something like 90% for Obama—-the very president, who is doing those communities the most harm in a shyster Obama Care which gives mandated Insurance companies carte blanch, cutting Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and savaging local school systems through austerity. How’s that first black president working out for you folks?

  47. BeccaM says:

    Oh stop! You’re making me hot.

  48. samNH says:

    I’ve noticed how much Ted Cruz of Texas is like the one in Germany crossed with the McCarthy bot. Scary.

  49. samNH says:

    But financial security is based on welfare from the state. Only the first wife is legal. The rest are single mothers on welfare and food stamps.

  50. samNH says:

    I wonder why these people get tax exemptions since you must tithe in order to belong…like paying dues at a country club. Why should the rest of us subsidize the Mitt Romneys of the LDS and the Warren Jeffs of this FLDS? Their primary function is NOT to promote social welfare. They are profit making entities, so how do they get exemptions? Not to mention their politicking, like Prop 8.

  51. Stranger things have happened. In the last election, the white trash voted overwhelmingly for presidential and vice-presidential candidates who belong to those same cults: Mormonism and Catholicism. Meanwhile, Obama received votes from African-Americans and white nontrash, while receiving virtually nothing from his two ancestries: Africans (who can’t vote in the United States) and rednecks (who voted against him).

  52. karmanot says:


  53. PeteWa says:

    ah, thanks for expounding.

  54. BeccaM says:

    It means I do not feel that love is a limited resource, only time and attention.

  55. BeccaM says:

    I’ll say this much about the Mormons: When they don’t get their way, they don’t turn violent or indulge in eliminationist rhetoric and threats.

    Sadly, the Christian radicals, including the RCC, do go there. I mean, we have Archbishop André Vingt-Trois himself saying, “However, if we remove the means of identification of the difference in social relations, this means that a psychological mechanism that we know well, it leads to frustration of personal expression, and compression frustration leads at one time or another on violence to recognize its particular identity against uniformity official. This is a company that prepares violence.”

    I mean, I read through Vingt-Trois remarks and all I see is, “Conform or we’ll kill you.”

  56. PeteWa says:

    Becca, what do you mean by you have a lack of attachments in your relationships?
    I found it ambiguous as I was able to interpret a number of ways.

  57. nicho says:

    Romney didn’t run against Dukakis..

  58. FLL says:

    …and may the Sauce be with you.

  59. Indigo says:

    “LSD, not LDS.” -Lee ‘Scratch’ Perry.

  60. karmanot says:

    “why any woman would share” My guess is that polygamous Mormon men are inadequate lovers —breeder hoppers (hop on, hop off). The less one attracts them the better. Thus, a woman can have the solid community of sister women and raise babies.

  61. karmanot says:

    Yes, and we can never underestimate the stratagems of patriarchal religions based on suffering, discrimination and domination. The Mormon cult is just cooling its heels after the catastrophic Romney failure and the tide turning against the Prop 8 fiasco.

  62. nicho says:

    Christian sects disagree on many things, but all their creeds start out “I believe in one god.” The Mormons don’t. So they lose — right out of the chute.

  63. BeccaM says:

    I’m Bi and generally have a lack of attachments in my relationships, as long as I know I myself am valued and cherished. I could easily see myself in a group marriage if such was legal and culturally accepted.

    On the other hand, I’m happy enough in my monogamous same-sex marriage that I ain’t looking either.

  64. BeccaM says:

    I think the key outcome will be whether LDS takes Fischer’s slurs seriously. The various religious groups have tended to overlook their own differences when it came to hating on gays. Personally, I don’t see the LDS position on gays in the Boy Scouts as having changed that much, not when they still ban gay adults from participating as leaders.

    What I mean to say is that from the LGBT point of view, it doesn’t matter if AFA and LDS are squabbling if they’re both still united in their opposition to gay rights in general. Tolerating a few underaged gay kids in what is essentially an activities group is a world apart from ceasing their active opposition to marriage equality rights, workplace and housing discrimination laws, and so on.

  65. Zorba says:

    Exactly, Whitewitch. To each their own, as long as everyone is of age and truly consenting.

  66. BeccaM says:

    Excellent points, as always. I’ve also wondered the same thing. Why is a same-sex marriage seen as the instigator of the ‘slippery slope’ when it would seem to me that other factors which have already happened would be more of a factor — including no-fault divorce and the abolition of cohabitation and adultery bans. As Myrddin notes in comments above, there are already quite a few poly group marriages which simply exist outside the law, but nobody can force these consenting adults not to live together and call what they have a marriage.

  67. Whitewitch says:

    I think it is a slippery slope only in Fischer’s mind. No worries…I think most Christians think marrying your pet dog, horse or excuse the reference unicorn, is the real slippery slope…not sure how it slides there, but then I have never been a Xtian so their logic escapes me. As for Fisher – it is clear where his mind runs….

  68. BeccaM says:

    Re: #4 — that would be Sinclair Lewis.

    “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

  69. Whitewitch says:

    I see nothing wrong with poly marriages, personally. However, you make an excellent point that many enter into such an arrangement out of training/religion. Me – I can not understand why any man would want two women, or why any woman would share (I am not a sharer). But to each his own, so long as his own are overage and consenting.

  70. Whitewitch says:

    Don’t tell them the Right doesn’t love them…they think they are wholly embraced by the Right and you don’t want to spoil any secrets do you. Ahhh Geezzee now they will know.

  71. BeccaM says:

    May we all be touched by His noodly appendage. Ra-men.

  72. karmanot says:

    Oh, –never mind…..:-)

  73. Dave of the Jungle says:

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster is our only hope.

  74. Zorba says:

    I agree. The Mormons are not “Christian,” really, but I don’t give a shit about that. The “vicious authoritarian patriarchal superstructure” of the Mormons, and the Evangelicals and the Muslims, for that matter, is what I find profoundly objectionable.
    I really, really do not care what adults want to do, or how they hook up either informally or legally, as long as they are not hurting anyone else and everyone is adult, consenting, eyes-open, and feels free to accept or reject such arrangements.
    This is not the case with so many religions, however, whether Mormon, Catholic, Evangelical Protestant, Muslim, etc. Yes, there are many adult women, for example, who “consent to” the strictures of their particular religions. But they have been so held down and, frankly, brainwashed, that I am not at all convinced that many of them are giving any kind of eyes-open, free, and truly informed consent.
    The whole problem here is doctrinaire religion, of whatever flavor.

  75. MyrddinWilt says:

    Forget the rest of it for a moment. The fact the AFA made a statement attacking the LDS is important evidence that they think the LDS has abandoned them on the gay hating thing. Which could be good news.

    Bottom line is that if the LDS switches on gay hating then it is game over for the rest of the movement. It would be a Nixon in China moment, only in this case we are China.

    That is not going to solve all the problems with the LDS. I am still going to find their treatment of women unacceptable. And there will be the whole culty money grabbing business. But they will be less objectionable than the Catholic church hierarchy (coddlers of pedophiles) or the Russian orthodox (heavily infiltrated by the KGB during the Soviet era).

    On the polygamy thing itself, I think folk here need to read through some of the arguments they have been endorsing over the years. If we are serious about marriage equality then we are going to have to have a better argument against polygamy than ‘because it has always been this way’.

    There is a poly community that has nothing to do with LDS. And they have been conveniently quiet these past few years while everyone has been talking about same sex marriage. Poly is utterly antithetical to the patriarchal polygamy like Brigham Young preached in which the women are treated as chattels.

    I think the AFA actually has it backwards. I think the LDS was doubling down on gay hate was actually an attempt to cover over their polygamist past. Its the same reason Clarence Thomas hates affirmative action. They desperately want to become part of the establishment and they will deny all the parts of themselves that they think don’t fit.

    I don’t think there would be a serious move towards formal recognition of poly relationships. Unlike with same sex marriage there would be real issues with inheritance taxes if six people could marry. But LDS does have a legitimate interest in having society affirm that who spends their life with whom and under what arrangements is really nobody else’s business provided it is genuinely consensual.

  76. Zorba says:

    Sweetie, the Albigensian Crusade was the one against the Cathars. ;-)

  77. BlueIdaho says:

    I’m sure it’s just a typo on John’s part. Drop the middle “m” out of Mormon and you get the derogatory term. However, if you do a through investigation into their cult, that term just might be more appropriate.

  78. karmanot says:

    Yes! And the Cathars as well!

  79. BlueIdaho says:

    Exactly! Patiently waiting the Mormon propaganda machine to begin.

  80. karmanot says:

    There are several components to this article that stand out. One, it is true that the Mormon cult is not Christian. The do not believe in the Trinity and have a pantheon of ‘gods.’ Mormonism is a mishmash of paganism and science fiction dressed up in a Halloween costume of Christian mythological drag. That Evangelicals ‘support’ them at all is not unusual—-Evangelicals are apostate and blasphemous Christians, who depend on the ID and close encounters with snakes to interpret the words and desires of the Lord. What they have in common is a vicious authoritarian patriarchal superstructure that is harmful and hateful to women, gays and minorities
    I see nothing wrong with polygamy engaged among adult consenting cultists, but unfortunately, like the Catholic Church they also embrace child rape and enforced connubial slavery. The values of the Mormon Church are incompatible with Christianity and Democracy. Not only should they be put on a hate list. but considered as a potential threat to the nation. Mormbot alert!

  81. sJames6621 says:

    tks – forgot that one – not surprising tho – racist pigs wallow in the same poo pile.

    Repub party

    1. southern bible belt thumpers – racist, hate gays etc Some still have Jews on their poolist. Solidly repubs courtesy of Nixon and his southern strategy. He should have been kicked out of office by senate vote even if he had already quit. Symbol.

    2.Economic monsters – “the tea partry who under bush gave us what would have been the second great depression $15 TRillion in Family new wortth stolen / destroy by the wall street banks. they want to btw end all govt regulation.

    All suppoted by the Kcoh brothers whose dad created the john birch society – a sleeping cancer that has now been revivied. So right wing that the guy who ran germany 33-45 would have learned from them

    3. most of the repubs with a few exceptions hate gay people also.

    Anyone remember the Senator Joe McCarthy era in the 50s?- Everyone in his dicksight was a homo and an commie. BTW Roy Cohn was his nutjob assistant. Roy was an early victim of Aids.

    Nothing much has changed in the repub party except the level of induced viciousness.

    4. Who was the guy who said – when facism comes to america it will be in the form of a cross wrapped in a flag

    Here is the late 30s – (must be in all lower case) Most pix from german archives, some from the holocaust museum

  82. JayRandal says:

    I see NO connection between polygamy and being Gay so far right proving themselves nutty again.
    Mormons should awaken to reality that evangelicals hate them too.

  83. Zorba says:

    Okay, FLL, you absolutely win the thread, for referencing the Catholic Church’s Albigensian Crusade and the massacre at Béziers (as well as the Flying Spaghetti Monster).

    “Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”
    Kudos, many many kudos! ;-)

  84. sJames6621 says:

    Actutally he was the second coming of Joseph Smith – founder of Mormonism. Romney is a mormon bishop

    How did ROBUS Romenyhe beat Ducakis in MA for the governorship – by making a big deal of a prisoner who got a weekend pass out of the big house and raped a couple women.

    Thats Willy Horton – he’s black. repubs – racist pigs at the top.

  85. Naja pallida says:

    But that was all about a “homosexual activist in an important position in his campaign”, and Fischer claimed that Grenell’s firing would help evangelicals support Romney more. Shouldn’t he have been ranting about Mormonism then too? Isn’t this evidence of his slippery slope that he is now speaking of… I mean, a “homosexual activist” so close to a prominent Mormon candidate? They must have been conspiring against “traditional marriage”, right?

  86. sJames6621 says:

    This xucker is a racist also. go read about him on eG wiki

    As forr the repubs their single biggest support group are the bible belt fundies who are still fighting the civil war and hate everyone

    Probably because they hate themselves for their desires. (Me thinks he doth protest too much)

  87. FLL says:

    The clergy of the Mormon, Evangelical and Catholic churches will now form a circular firing squad.

    (1) The Evangelical and Catholic clergy will accuse the Mormon clergy of being secret polygamists.
    (2) The Catholic clergy will accuse the Evangelical and Mormon clergy of heretical rejection of the pope’s authority.
    (3) The Evangelical and Mormon clergy will accuse the Catholic clergy of heretical worship of the Virgin Mary.

    With dumbass enemies like these, how can you help but succeed?

  88. A_nonymoose says:

    Dude ain’t right. Seriously.

  89. Matt says:

    “…what chance do the Morons seriously think they have with these people?”

    Did you really intend this crass name-calling? We shouldn’t stoop to the level of our opponents.

  90. Monoceros Forth says:

    We’re all used to these “slippery slope” arguments and what I don’t understand is, what’s so special about homosexuality that it’s better at greasing the slope than other things?

    Take this bogus argument that accepting homosexuality will lead to bringing back polygamy. (Take note, Catholics and Mormons: just because the fundies hate the same things as you doesn’t mean they don’t hate you as well. Mormons and Catholics will always be pagan idolaters in evangelical eyes, never forget that.) The Mormon model of polygamy is, well, pretty heterosexual: one gross old patriarch and a bunch of subservient young concubines. Isn’t the legitimizing of homosexual relations a step away from this sort of polygamy and not towards it? A monogamous heterosexual couple is more like a polygamous Mormon harem than is a monogamous homosexual couple. If the slope is slippery, it’s more slippery in the heterosexual than the homosexual direction.
    But, yeah, yeah, I know. It’s all really about the same in the eyes of Jesus freaks. All thoughtcrime is the same.

  91. PLAINTOM says:

    The truce between the “real Christians” and the Mormons is obviously not working out.

  92. cwazycajun says:

    just goes to show hatred and bigotry is big business in conservitive land $$$$..they cant figure out why the republican party is turning to dust before their eyes

  93. Well Fischer hated Romney last year too, he was the one who got Romney’s gay spokesman fired.

  94. Naja pallida says:

    Where were these guys a year ago when Republicans were declaring Romney the second coming of Reagan?

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