The Mormon mean streak isn’t a bug, it’s a feature

The Mormons, God bless their hateful bitter souls, have come up with a new and improved way to undercut the civil rights of gay people.

You see, the Mormon didn’t have a PR problem because they’re always on the side of hatred and bigotry (their longtime intolerance towards women and blacks comes to mind).  No.  The problem is that the Mormons were too brazen in their hate and intolerance.

So all they need do is find a kinder and gentler way to stick the knife in the back of gays and their civil rights, and maybe everyone can go back to not really caring about Mormons either way.

Sadly, for the Mormons and their plummeting public image, civil rights don’t really work that way.  Finding a more stealthful way to dehumanize gays and lesbians isn’t really “better” for anyone but the one doing the victimizing.


The latest brilliant idea from the Mormons is to supposedly not take a position on gay marriage in Hawaii, but rather to urge Mormons in the state to follow the teaching of a specific church document that – what? – is against gay marriage.

So they basically told their parishioners to help stop gay marriage in the state.  Again.  The Mormons, you see, have meddled in Hawaii before (just like they meddled in California, and Alaska, and Nebraska, and…).  They were instrumental in helping ban block gay marriage in the state during the 1990s.

So now the Mormons are meddling in Hawaii again.  Nice way to prove you’re not longer hateful bigots.  (The Mormons, you might recall, single-handedly got Prop 8 passed in California, ripping the civil rights away from potentially millions of gay couples until a US Supreme Court decision earlier this year effectively killed Prop 8 once and for all.)

In addition to their now-coded opposition to gay marriage, the Mormons also are asking their members to push for a religious exemption that would permit anyone in the state to refuse to assist, or celebrate in, a gay marriage.  That means not only state officials could refuse to marry you (or even process your papers), but employers could possibly refuse to recognize gay employees are married, hospitals could turn your gay husband away, and all sorts of fun ways in which private individuals statewide could refuse to “celebrate” your marriage.

So basically the Mormons are: A) telling their followers to oppose gay marriage in the state; and B) if the state passes marriage equality anyway, the Mormons want a provision that basically says your marriage doesn’t count if someone – anyone – doesn’t want it to count.

You know, I never really had much of an opinion on Mormons either way.  I knew some nice Mormons during debate camp when I was in high school, and actually dated a Mormon (though perhaps he was an “ex”- Mormon) for a short while back in the 1990s.  But the Mormons I met always seemed like nice people.

Now I find the religion absolutely, aggressively, and persistently hateful.

The thing is, you can only beat the cr*p out of someone for so long before they conclude that your mean streak isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

PS Leave Anne Frank the-f-alone.

CyberDisobedience on Substack | @aravosis | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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287 Responses to “The Mormon mean streak isn’t a bug, it’s a feature”

  1. Queer Supremacist says:

    Sociopaths also seem nice on the surface when you first meet them.

  2. Queer Supremacist says:

    Anyone who doesn’t hate this death cult is an asshole.

  3. Namakaokona says:

    Anne Frank is not any Mormon’s ancestor.

  4. Ninong says:

    This is crap! You are promoting hate based on ignorance towards Mormons.

  5. Thomas says:

    We all knew some idiot was going to say this. Standard right-wing boilerplate “I know you are but what am I?” crap. If someone criticizes intolerance then THEY’RE the intolerant one, nyaa nyaa nyaa! Pathetic.

  6. olandp says:

    Anyone who believes the “revelations” of Joseph Smith is a dupe. The very basis of his “faith” is provably false. The Native Americans were not the lost tribe Israel, they are genetically central Asian. There is no Jewish DNA at all.

  7. neroden says:

    I actually have a fondness for Socialist Realism as an art movement. But that was Lenin-era not Stalin-era. It got really creepy in the Stalin era.

  8. neroden says:

    As with most religions.

    I believe that religion should be restricted to those over 18, like prostitution, drinking, smoking, gambling, drugs, acting in pornographic movies, and other dangerous activities.

  9. neroden says:

    We have to stop that little piece of unconstitutional tax policy. It’s a loophole large enough to drive a truck through… and the Church of Scientology *has driven the truck through*, by creating a church which is run for profit, fairly openly, but taking advantage of the tax exemptions.

    Follow the First Amendment and treat churches like everyone else. If they’re for-profit, tax them as for-profits; if they’re not-for-profit private clubs (most of them) tax them as private clubs; in the rare case of churches which actually operate as charities, they can get registered as genuine charities to get those tax exemptions.

  10. neroden says:

    Well, anyone who believes in the revelations of Joseph Smith but doesn’t want to be ruled by the totalitarian successors of Brigham Young can always go join the Community of Christ — or one of the dozen other Mormon groups which split after the death of Joseph Smith.

    The Brigham Young Mormons don’t like to admit that they exist, of course.

  11. neroden says:

    This is pretty common among religions. The “Dominionists”, a very large group of right-wing evangelical Protestants, want to create a “Christian Dominion”. The Roman Catholic Church has never renounced its claim to temporal rule over the entire Earth. Et cetera.

  12. neroden says:

    Try a Hasidic area if you want to experience it. *sigh*

  13. neroden says:

    The original Mormon doctrine was all about God sending new messages whenever it is politically necessary.

    Brigham Young tried to stop that, actually, because it’s inconvenient if you’re an authoritarian control freak. The Midwestern branches of Mormonism mostly retained the “new revelations could come to anyone at any time” doctrine and as a result had quite a lot of schisms and quite a lot of doctrinal change.

  14. neroden says:

    The Mormons left New York because they couldn’t get enough recruits, and because there was *competition*. At the time, upstate New York had *dozens* of brand new religions — literally. They couldn’t get any traction. So Smith moved out west where he figured he had a better chance of getting an entire city to himself.

    They got along reasonably well with the pre-existing neighbors at first, but some things caused a lot of friction. The failure of the poorly-thought-out Mormon-backed bank really inflamed the locals.

  15. neroden says:

    Hey, I’ve studied Mormon history quite a bit.

    Joseph Smith was a pretty mellow con man, not particularly violent (just a typical guy of the period) and as cult leaders go, he actually would have been pretty decent to hang out with, from what I can tell. (And it’s not at all clear that he was a polygamist, though I wouldn’t put it past him. Even some of the polygamist successors to Smith in the Midwest seemed to be quite tolerable, though.)

    Brigham Young, on the other hand, was a complete and utter monster, a torturer, a killer, a brute. Everything I learn about him makes me more disgusted by him.

    It’s no coincidence that the Mormons who rejected Brigham Young have *all* created more tolerable churches than the ones who went off to Utah following that sadist.

  16. neroden says:

    Francis is unlikely to give the US bishops direct orders about what they say, because he doesn’t believe in the hierarchy.

    He has, however, *condemned* the practice of bishops denying communion to people. So the recent practice of right-wing bishops denying communion to people whose politics they don’t like will most likely end: any bishop who does that is going to find himself “reassigned”, if I were to guess.

    I would also expect that bishops who claim that their statements are “holy teachings” will find themselves gently and nastily rebuked by Francis. He won’t tell them to shut up. He’ll just say “That’s Bishop X’s personal opinion, not the teaching of the church” and watch the fallout.

  17. neroden says:

    Pope Francis is a canny Jesuit. Remember, the Society of Jesus has actually been banned and anathematized by the Roman Catholic Church… and it somehow managed to survive.

    If you look at his history, Pope Francis has pretty much declared war on the very concept of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, but they haven’t noticed yet.

  18. neroden says:

    If you look at Francis’s history, his core issue is not abortion, birth control, or same-sex marriage — his core issue, personally, is *breaking the power of the Curia*. He’s anti-clerical.

    God help him, as the saying goes. He really is at risk of assassination.

  19. neroden says:

    I really don’t understand why churches get special tax breaks. It’s a violation of the First Amendment, which prohibits “respecting an Establishment of Religion”.

    If a church operates as a genuine charity, then it can have tax breaks; if it doesn’t, then it should be treated like any other club or corporation.

  20. neroden says:

    Revelation is particularly disgusting.

  21. neroden says:

    The new Pope Francis is very right-wing in most of his personal views — but he may yet change the church. Why? He has a genuine history of *anti-clericalism*. In short, he doesn’t think priests have the right to tell people what to do.

    This is going to open up the floodgates in the Roman Catholic Church. Honestly, I expect the hierarchy to try to assassinate him, because he’s declared war on their privileges.

  22. neroden says:

    Religion does not *have* to be based on “faith” — however, all the Christian variants *are* based on “faith”.

    I’m OK with religion as long as it doesn’t have any “faith”, because faith denies reality, and that is unacceptable.

    This is rare. But some religions are basically “just do the rituals! we don’t care what you believe, just do the rituals!”. Those are OK as long as the rituals themselves are not dangerous.

  23. neroden says:

    Since I don’t believe in an afterlife, I’m not bothered by Mormon baptism of the dead. My grandmother, however, did believe in multiple afterlives, and wanted to make absolutely sure that she never ended up in the Mormon one — she was most insistent on keeping her name out of the Mormon database.

  24. Luigi Proud DemoCat! says:

    Yea. Forgot about them munching on Jesus body and swigging his blood.

  25. MACV says:

    On another note …. I actually went to Salt Lake City back in 1966. As a black person, I was followed everywhere by two rather obvious plain clothes officers.

    If you’re not in the Mormon Church in Utah … you’d be better off some place else. Oh, and after a while they all start to look like .. “The Boys from Brazil”. scary ….

  26. Pootsteen says:

    Why anyone would prevent a loved one from being with a sick and/or dying person in a hospital for any reason is just so awful! Even if they don’t HAVE to allow a gay partner in the hospital, why would they want to?
    When will someone sue a hospital for basic human rights violations with their stupid rules?

  27. Whitewitch says:

    Whoa whoa whoa…it offends me to think about EVER being baptized by Mormons…I am a living breathing human NOW and knowing they will do this to me is highly offensive.

  28. Whitewitch says:

    You know I have always wanted to start a Class Action Suit against them for that behavior. I have mediated on it a lot and I think I would have to have proof they did it to one of my dead ancestors which cause me emotional pain. I will find a way!!!!

  29. fletcher says:

    Hopefully no gay Bridezillas.

  30. Polterguest says:

    That’d be ridiculous, but fine except they do it to other people’s ancestors as well.

  31. Tor says:

    They’ve been erased from the 21st century bible.

  32. karmanot says:

    Read the beatitudes and get back to me.

  33. karmanot says:

    To even debate such rubbish is ridiculous.

  34. karmanot says:

    Rape is not a core tenet of Catholic theology. Cannibalism is.

  35. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Well, I could see the irony if there was some. Is it hateful to state the truth. They really did pour a large amount of their resources in denying a group of people from having the same civil rights that they have, and they’re doing it again. If telling the truth is hateful, the world has big problems.

  36. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Does this possibly make any sense to you? Are you giving a full explanation? How could Anne Frank be one of their ancestors?

  37. Alvaro S says:

    Does anyone else appreciate the irony in hating on Mormons for being hateful?

  38. Mickaragua says:

    Whoa whoa, let’s just take a chill pill. Baptisms for the dead don’t force anybody to do anything. Mormons believe that their dead still get to choose, and they don’t assume whether their baptisms were accepted or not. If you believe being baptized in their church is important than you’ll understand why they do it, and if you don’t believe it then you really shouldn’t care at all. They’re just trying to help their ancestors in the only way they know how.

  39. Luigi Proud DemoCat! says:

    I’m not sure the Roman Catholic Church is any less hateful. They’ve been equally aggressive in their campaign against LGBTI rights and, even worse, aggressively protect Rapist Priests.

    If hatred is a feature of the Mormon faith, bigotry and rape are core tenets of Roman Catholic theology.

  40. ComradeRutherford says:

    Speaking of the horrific spiritual sins they’ve committed on Anne Frank:

    Every knows that the Mormons own Ancestry(dot)com, right? The reason they do that is to retroactively baptize everyone on that site.

    That means YOUR ancestors have been spiritually forced to become Mormons, kicking and screaming, dragged into the circle of hell from whence Mormons sprang.

  41. KingCranky says:

    Another reason to be irate with the Mormon church…..

    You fund its religious lifestyle choice tax exemptions, tax breaks funded by, but not available to, nonbelievers.

  42. Tom Chicago says:

    I’m afraid John is right (again). This is the same strategy the pope is putting forward, the “too many rules” strategy. While we gay people may wish for a genuinely kinder and gentler way to get along with most churches, we need to remember that “kinder and gentler” was merely a cloak when it was first employed, and resulted in the same old snake oil. Likewise, until the rules both churches would clearly like to de-emphasize, or sweep under the rug, are directly confronted and explicitly changed, we end up with the same old snake oil.

  43. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    I agree with that. No one should have to support my belief system.

  44. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    There’s an expression that covers this situation. “Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has one.” I said nothing that sounds like proselytizing, so don’t try to change my mind.

  45. Jim Olson says:

    Yeah, forgetting that it was Congregationalists from New England who were actually the larger group of missionaries. We did own up to the smallpox and influenza a number of years ago. Must be nice to have your own version of history.

  46. Jim Olson says:

    Agreed. I do not fear the lies and the demonstrable misinformation that spews forth from the Fox News Channel each and every day…I hold it in the deepest contempt. How anyone can read that news, knowing that it is utter bullshit day in and day out is beyond me. Either they truly believe it, which does frighten me, or they are merely conservative-for-pay and that is just beneath contempt.

  47. Jim Olson says:

    Yeah, no. A century and a half of oppressing everyone who wasn’t them does not get forgiven so easily. And, as they are still actively trying to restrain my rights and the rights of other LGBT people, they don’t get a pass. They’re institutionally bigots and homophobes, and they deserve to have the light shown on their bigotry and homophobia.

  48. The_Fixer says:

    Ya know, when you talk like that, reasonable people think you’re nuts and want to know how long you’ve been off of your medication.

  49. Tor says:

    It’s what they do.

  50. Tor says:

    Better yet, when our Christian religion utterly fails, we start to understand that there is no god, no savoir. I think that congregations that accept gay people and female clergy are all nice and stuff….. It’s still bogus in the end.

  51. silas1898 says:

    Religiously insane, but not totally stupid.

  52. Tor says:

    Yup, All adjectives still agree.

  53. silas1898 says:

    Betty Bowers is the best! She knows how to deal with those blaspheming Mormons.

  54. Tor says:

    Not only advocates, but anyone who accepts equal marriage rights.

  55. Tor says:

    Mormons can be the nicest people you will ever meet. However, conversion is the first thought on their mind. I had a longish personal story about that, but I think I will let it pass.

  56. Tor says:

    Same can be said for most religions. Well, I guess that’s the very definition of religion.

  57. Tor says:

    Well, of course. Mormon leadership is not Franciscans and Dominicans, but MBAs and Lawyers.

  58. UncleBucky says:

    Fear? More like mocking of Faux Noise…

    Ya trollite.

  59. EdA says:

    It’s worth reminding people, also, that an integral part of the attack by the LDS church was to encourage the Roman Catholic Church to be the public face of bigotry while staying in the background as much as possible.

  60. silas1898 says:

    That’s gotta smell really, really bad.

  61. Tothiwim says:

    Religion causes brain damage.

  62. billylost says:

    how could you ever have thought these cult members were reasonable? it’s been obvious to many of us for decades

  63. Ninong says:


  64. UncleBucky says:

    Please distinguish 1) Christian from 2) christianIST and 3) followers of Jesus….

  65. UncleBucky says:

    We should not trust that Pope. He’s trying different avatars right now to see if some of the people with discretionary income might come back and drop a few coins into the Peter’s Pence collection.

  66. UncleBucky says:

    That sweet smile is like the lure of that ugly fish at the bottom of the ocean. The little fish sees it as a morsel. And GLUMPH the big fish gobbles the little fish.

    And if you are smart enough to defy the agenda behind the sweet smile, that smile will turn into a sneer almost as ugly as that fish.

  67. UncleBucky says:

    What is a moderate Christian? Please define! ;o)

  68. Ninong says:

    Papa Ratzi scandalized the curia, even the gay cabal within the curia, when he took Bel Giorgio (sorry, Archbishop Bel Giorgio) to live with him in his newly refurbished apartment in Mater Ecclesiae, along with five Memores Domini to do all the chores and prepare all their meals. What about the Pratesi sheets?

    Conveniently, all Memores Domini take a vow of silence.

  69. MerryMarjie says:

    Anyone who expects Mormons to be rational fails to consider the origin of their “religion.” The “Kool-Aid” is passed down from generation unto generation, unto further generations, and crazy becomes normal. Of course, that just about describes all religions, being based on “faith” and “blind faith,” and all, truth and evidence being in short supply.

  70. zorbear says:

    Old chestnut pudding? Yuk!
    Needs more honey…

  71. zorbear says:

    Becca can snatch my body anytime!

  72. LanceThruster says:

    I like this one, too —

    Q:How do you keep a Mormon from drinking all your beer on a fishing trip?

    A: Take two Mormons.

  73. FLL says:

    Edit acknowledged.

  74. Ninong says:

    Yes, I’m familiar with America’s Best Christian, Mrs. Betty Bowers. Here’s her explanation of traditional Bible-based marriage and she does mention Mormons at around the 2:45 mark:

  75. karmanot says:

    Thank ya massah, can I work in the big house now? I gots a suit an all.

  76. karmanot says:

    Wonderful N. I just love it when you get into the weeds of the footnotes.

  77. karmanot says:

    It’s not fake. The magic underwear is designed to give major wedgies so that strange grimace comes off as a smile.

  78. karmanot says:

    A body snatcher Zorbie. :-0

  79. karmanot says:

    You can always tell an ascended Mormon because their magic underwear has no streaks.

  80. karmanot says:

    True, I’ve never once experienced kosher tyranny.

  81. karmanot says:

    OMG: Stand Your Mormon. That’s from where it came.

  82. karmanot says:

    But M, maybe the proof in the pudding is an old chestnut.

  83. karmanot says:

    With that old spider Pope Ratso still alive and spinning his webs in the Vatican’s back yard anything might happen.

  84. jomicur says:


  85. Stev84 says:

    Raul Labrador is a Mormon with a BYU degree by the way.

  86. karmanot says:


  87. karmanot says:

    Leggo my temple

  88. samiinh says:

    Kinda like Boner’s House of Representatives…dangerous as any fascist organization.

  89. karmanot says:

    They try to create it here on earth. The Angel Moroni said it was under the state of Kansas.

  90. samiinh says:

    Would have been a good question for Romney.

  91. samiinh says:

    It’s called the principle 132. Polygamy continues to be part of main-stream Mormonism, though not practices in the life. It’s saved for the future in heaven on your own planet. That is if you’re male. If you are female, you’ll spend eternity bouncing out babies to populate your husband’s planet, along with all the rest of his wives.

  92. zorbear says:

    What’s a “Becca Morm bot”, precious?

  93. karmanot says:


  94. karmanot says:

    Amen to that!

  95. karmanot says:

    But we love it John. It’s like a soccer game with Moroni bots!

  96. karmanot says:

    There are those of us who loath Mormons for their own good so that they may knoweth righteousness and as Boney Moroni says, knoweth yee the truth. Or something.

  97. karmanot says:

    It’s always edifying to hear from experts on ‘sloppy’ seconds.

  98. emjayay says:

    Jeeze people, it’s been aluminum foil hats for your entire lifetime, not tin. And that thing in the kitchen with the cold food in it is a refrigerator.

  99. karmanot says:

    Oh yes, where good people remain, evil thrives.

  100. emjayay says:


  101. karmanot says:

    I was soooo going there until I realized you were kidding! :-)

  102. karmanot says:

    If they could even find your tiny head, they would probably grant you mercy.

  103. karmanot says:

    “you lefties crack me up with your fear of Fox News.” Not fear Ratty—-contempt.

  104. emjayay says:

    But as is often the case God sent them a new message just when it was politically necessary.

  105. emjayay says:

    In modern society we have extended this concept to private non-governmental business as well. Woolworth’s can’t refuse to serve people of a certain skin color if it is open to the public. More recently of course we have had pharmacists refusing to sell products they think are sinful. Don’t know how that worked out eventually actually, but it’s the same thing and a bit more serious it seems to me than someone refusing to decorate someone’s cake, although even that of course was a recent issue.
    Libertarians like a certain father and son team don’t believe any of that, although they tend to lie about their actual opinions on the topic when anyone tries to pin them down.

  106. karmanot says:

    Sorry Ratty, but there are comparisons. Don’t ya know man-Morms go to a heaven with Virgins just like Muslims, while the women bake bread, clean house, and do laundry?

  107. karmanot says:

    Yep, it’s the old :”I know what you are, but what am I?” That holy saying was written in blood on a stone old Smith pulled out of his ass (er. hat.)

  108. karmanot says:

    Actually, Becca Morm bots wear waxed paper, which goes up in flames with IQ’s over 80.

  109. karmanot says:

    Our first troll. Where’s the rest of the nest?

  110. emjayay says:

    I keep saying it’s one thing to follow a guy who preached a new, for the time open and modern and somewhat revolutionary message of love and worship in a primitive oppressed society with no idea of how the world or universe worked over 20 centuries ago. It’s another to buy the stories made up by a violent polygamous con man living in a pre-modern science but post Renaissance post Enlightenment post scientific thinking literate society. Like Betty said, she doesn’t have any furniture that new.

    By the way, if you are not already familiar with America’s Best Christian Betty Bowers, her explanation of traditional Biblical marriage is a classic.

  111. Anonymous says:

    Ha! Funny, considering just last year churches in FL (which pay no tax dollars) wanted to receive them…
    Codename: Amendment Religious Freedom

  112. karmanot says:

    Ditto that big time!

  113. karmanot says:

    But they baptized them after they died, so what’s to make amends?

  114. karmanot says:

    A ninety percent tax on political contributions by religious institutions should be established.

  115. samiinh says:

    They should lose their tax exemptions. Why should we subsidize these temples of bigotry and hate?

  116. karmanot says:

    What the Morns don’t know will hurt them. There are rumors of a secret prophetic here to now unknown Gospel of Mormon that was found in a Five-Points pawn shop that says during the Rapture, all Mormons will be fried like slimy earthworms on a hell-hot asphalt. Because Mr. God on Kolob believes that owing to their righteousness they should bear the complete suffering of the world because they are special.

  117. karmanot says:


  118. karmanot says:

    “christian mythology is anti-gay, pro-slavery, anti-woman, authoritarian, and anti-democratic.” Ever read the New Testament?

  119. Anonymous says:

    With all these religious “crackdowns,” I can’t imagine how even a moderate Christian can be associated with the church anymore.

  120. karmanot says:

    Exactly! We’ve all heard the ‘loving Shepard’ BS before. This same Bishop/Pope was silent when his political masters dropped thousands of bound dissenters from planes into the sea.

  121. karmanot says:

    “the Mormons I met always seemed like nice people.” When you meet a nice Mormon John…run, run, run like hell!

  122. Ninong says:

    The only change that I see in the new Supreme Pontiff is that he’s trying to improve the public perception of his church by toning down the emphasis on the “divisive” issues. The previous Supreme Pontiff, who now styles himself His Holiness Benedict XVI, Pope Emeritus, actually made a statement once, shortly after his election, that he would be happy if the church downsized provided those remaining were hardcore believers.

    The Catholic Church is growing in Africa and South America. It is stagnant in North America and in serious decline in Europe. Towards the end of his reign, Benedict XVI was more and more outspoken in attacking “aggressive secularism” and “atheist extremism,” which he blamed for the decline in Western Civilization. Now we have Little Vlad, the new best friend forever of His Holiness Kirill I, Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia, telling us that acceptance of the gay agenda is causing the decline of Western Europe and North America. Putin accused the West of straying from “Christian values that form the basis of Western Civilization” by pursuing policies that he described as traditional identities. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a single-sex partnership, faith in God and belief in Satan,” said the recently divorced Putin.

    What else did Valdimir Vladimirovich (I like to call him Little Vlad) have to say about Western Civilization? Well he said our obsession with political correctness and denial of “traditional identities” puts us on a “direct path to degradation and primitivization, to a deep demographic and moral crisis.” He said people in many European countries are “embarrassed and afraid
    to speak about their religious beliefs.”
    Little Vlad, in case you haven’t noticed, likes to wear a little gold cross on a chain around his neck whenever he wants to dazzle gullible born-again, former alcoholic, heads of state. He’s now a Christian himself and his new BFF is the Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia. Quite a change from the days when he was a KGB lieutenant colonel and political advisor to the Mayor of Lenigrad. One thing about Little Vlad, he always knew when the time was ripe to switch sides. He resigned his KGB commission as soon as the Berlin wall came down and jumped on the Yeltsin bandwagon.

  123. zorbear says:

    Momma Bear (the family Catholic) can’t believe he’s made it this long!

  124. FLL says:

    So the Mormons are up to their old tricks in Hawaii. Guess what else is happening in Hawaii?

           Hawaii bishop urges Catholics to mobilize against same-sex marriage
           Catholic News Service, Aug. 27, 2013

    From the NCR article (link here):

    “Bishop Larry Silva of Honolulu urged Catholics across the island state to oppose same-sex marriage in an “urgent request” to pastors.

    “In a letter that was included in parish bulletins the weekend of Aug. 24-25, Silva asked Catholics to pray the rosary daily over the next several weeks, “if possible” while walking around the state Capitol block, “so that just as God tumbled down the walls of Jericho, he will be able to do so through the prayers and action of his beloved people.”

    Maybe His Papist Holiness can get up off his ass and put his money where his mouth is and tell Bishop Silva to put a cork in it.

  125. Ninong says:

    He has never proclaimed his devotion to EVERYTHING the Greek Orthodox Church teaches. He has opposed hateful religious teachings no matter the source.

  126. Ninong says:

    His biggest move to take control was removing Bertone as Secretary of State. Now he has to figure out what to do about the Vatican Bank.

  127. Ninong says:


  128. Stev84 says:

    Of course Christians are trying to turn that around as well, by claiming that passing laws against people and trying to repeal all laws that offer even a minimum of legal protection is merely “disagreement”.

  129. Ninong says:

    I think including the word ‘Mormon’ in the title of anything sends out an automatic alert to their volunteer Internet Patrol. You can also get their attention by including ‘Anne Frank’ and ‘proxy baptism,’ or ‘baptism for the dead.’

    I’m sure they thought it was cute to baptize Barack Obama’s dead mother but, gee, I wonder why they never bothered to baptize Obama’s father? Oh, that’s right, I forgot.

    They’re very keen on baptizing dead Jews. At last count, they had officially baptized Anne Frank eight times, and each time a living person was baptized by immersion on her behalf, inside a Mormon temple and approved by a local Mormon bishop.

    They have baptized thousands of Jews who died in the Holocaust. Why? Well, it’s just what they do, that’s all.

  130. GoBlue says:

    Just like William Donohue, who brays that people who disagree with the Catholic Church are displaying “anti-Catholic bigotry.” And those are people who may not disagree with the Catholic Church that much; they only disagree with the Gospel According to Donohue.

    But then, Donohue makes a very lucrative living (something like $300,000 a year) out of being offended. So he can never be just a LITTLE offended, or not offended at all, or he’s not earning his fat salary.

  131. BeccaM says:

    Yeah, well, the House GOP seems intent on trying to make that a reality.

    As the HRC commented–

    “This legislation’s real purpose is to let federal employees, contractors and grantees refuse to do their jobs or fulfill the terms of their taxpayer-funded contracts because they have a particular religious view about certain lawfully married couples — and then to sue
    the federal government for damages if they don’t get their way.”

  132. FLL says:

    It would look suspicious if Francis were to suffer an untimely death. Not that other popes haven’t been poisoned.

  133. wmforr says:

    And I never could understand why Blacks sure did hate the Klan, just for voicing their opinions in the public square.

  134. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    I know it seems counter intuitive, but many of us have our Christian religion very ingrained. When that happens, one finds a congregation that accepts gays, accepts women as equals, and in general believes in human rights.

  135. BeccaM says:

    As I’ve seen remarked elsewhere: “Hope he makes his own cocoa.”

  136. wmforr says:

    When my mother-in-law passed away and the daughter who had been caring for her for years was making funeral arrangements, I tried to echo Mom’s words and said, “Well, now she’s with your father.”

    My sister-in-law smiled and said, “No, Bill. She went up.”

  137. Thom Allen says:

    If Francis pushes too hard in getting the Curia to STFU re: abortion, birth control and same-sex marriage, he’s gonna need to hire some Mafia bodyguards and a few food tasters.