Air Force Academy has “ex-gay” cure advocate overseeing cadet character coaching

The US Air Force Academy hired a man to run their character coaching program for young cadets who, for the past two decades, has devoted his entire professional career to the cause of “curing homosexuality,” and who claims that he himself has been “cured” of the “addiction.”

The news of “ex-gay” activist Dr. Mike Rosebush running the academy’s character and leadership coaching program comes on the heels of growing concerns as to whether the academy is serious about becoming a welcoming place for gay cadets in the post-“Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” era.

Rosebush is the chief of Character and Leadership Coaching at the US Air Force Academy, located in Colorado Springs, Colorado, putting him in charge of a team of “coaches.”

Rosebush’s primary counseling experience before coming to the academy was in supposedly “curing” homosexuality and other “sexual addictions” since 1995.  Before that time, he was in the Air Force and also taught at the Academy.  His resume reads like a veritable who’s-who of anti-gay hate and pseudo-science.

Rosebush has ties to NARTH, Exodus and Focus on the Family

US Air Force Academy graduation (credit: U.S. Air Force Photo by Mike Kaplan/Released)

US Air Force Academy graduation (credit: U.S. Air Force Photo by Mike Kaplan/Released)

Rosebush is a former vice president of one of the lead religious right, and anti-gay activist, organizations, Focus on the Family, which is also headquartered in Colorado Springs.

Rosebush has also served as a clinical member of the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), the lead group of quack scientists who claim to have found the cure for homosexuality.  The Southern Poverty Law Center has a long exposé on NARTH and it’s “junk science.”

And Rosebush also served as director of the Professional Counselors’ Network of Exodus International, what was once the lead “ex-gay” counseling group. Exodus has now admitted that it can’t cure gays, and has apologized for its make.

But neither his proven history of anti-gay activism, nor his embrace of pseudo-science, was enough to stop the Air Force from hiring Rosebush in 2011, after the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” repeal legislation was signed into law.

As for the climate at the Air Force Academy for gay cadets, while some gay cadets say they are having no problem fitting in, others in recent interviews describe a “nightmare” where “extreme homophobes” are “outspoken and proud about it.”  They add that little happens to correct the character and leadership deficiencies of homophobic cadets at the academy.

Which brings us back to Rosebush.

Rosebush has devoted the past two decades of his professional life to “curing” gays

While the academy claims that Rosebush does not himself counsel cadets, he is in charge of the entire character and leadership counseling program at the Air Force Academy.  Clearly he has put his mark on the program, and his mark is one of bigotry and junk-science, neither of which has a place at a government institution training cadets – future leaders – of all persuasions.

And lest anyone attempt to claim that this is an issue of Rosebush’s religion, Rosebush does not hold a religious job at the academy, and our complaint is with his professional qualifications.  How does a man end up running counseling programs at the Air Force Academy when his main counseling experience is in anti-gay pseudo-science that has even been rejected his own former anti-gay employer, Exodus?

In a post-DADT world, the Air Force Academy is sending a troubling message to young cadets when it hires a counselor who is an expert in the “fact” that an entire class of cadets suffers from an “addiction,” and is in need of a “cure.”

Take a look at Rosebush’s “employment history” on ZoomInfo – it’s all anti-gay/”ex-gay.” It, like most of Rosebush’s anti-gay bios, doesn’t even bother listing his former Air Force experience. Rosebush wasn’t hired by the Air Force in spite of his anti-gay activism, he was hired because of it:

mike-rosebush-employment-history

You’ll see “Coaching Confidant” as the top of the employment list.  That’s Rosebush’s former business in which he counseled people, exclusively by phone, about their sexual addictions, including curing them of their homosexuality. Here’s the home page that was taken down, but AMERICAblog obtained a copy. Note the endorsement from Exodus on the right side of the site:

coaching-confidant-air-force-academy-gay

And here’s the section of Rosebush’s Web site devoted to “curing homosexuality”:

coaching-confidant-air-force-academy-gay-2

And here’s a bit more on “what matters most about Dr. Mike Rosebush” – it’s a bit odd:

mike-rosebush-air-force-academy

Rosebush is also an author.  He wrote “Sanctifying Coaching: Sexual purity and peace for Christian men with same-sex attractions.  Here’s a little of the blurb for the book on Amazon:

coaching-confidant-air-force-academy-gay-eDr. Rosebush’s Sanctification Coaching provides the groundbreaking methods that helped his clients achieve sexual purity, peace and heterosexual confidence. If you are a Christian tired of being distressed over your same-sex attractions, then Sanctification Coaching was written for you!

Dr. Rosebush is also a contributing author to The Handbook of Therapy for Unwanted Homosexual Tendencies: A Guide to Treatment. Dr. Rosebush has decades of success in counseling Christian men who struggle with same-sex attractions.

I pulled up that Handbook on Google. Let me share with you Rosebush’s biography from the book – pay close attention to the last sentence of the bio:

rosebuch-cover rosebush-bio

Rosebush refers in his bio to gay men as “homoerotically-capable men.” This appears to be a play on the word “handicapable,” used to describe to people with disabilities.  And it would be somewhat troubling associating being gay with a disability. Does Rosebush think gay Air Force Academy cadets are “disabled”?

(Note that Rosebush contributed to the handbook alongside Joseph Nicolosi of NARTH and George Rekers, also of NARTH, who famously resigned after being caught bringing a rent-boy with him to Europe to “carry his luggage.”)

Rosebush’s Exodus job sounds a lot like his current job with the Air Force

But what’s potentially most disturbing about Rosebush, and problematic for the Air Force Academy, is that his prior work sounds an awful lot like his current work.  Here’s one of Rosebush’s biographies from “Strength in Weakness,” another “cure the gays” organization he’s affiliated with:

Dr. Rosebush also worked with Exodus International, the worlds largest faith based organization in helping those who live with unwanted same-sex attractions. There he oversaw the qualifications and training of Exodus International-Approved counsellors, and coordinated Exodus’ counselling [sic] ministry with other Christian and secular counselling [sic] organizations around the world.

Rosebush was a counseling coordinator for Exodus, and that’s exactly what he’s doing for the US military.  And while being a professional anti-gay might have flown in the days that the US military officially discriminated against gay service members, in todays’ military, Rosebush’s views are not simply anachronistic, they’re potentially harmful.  From the American Psychological Association’s most comprehensive review of the subject to date:

The American Psychological Association Task Force on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation conducted a systematic review of the peer-reviewed journal literature on sexual orientation change efforts (SOCE) and concluded that efforts to change sexual orientation are unlikely to be successful and involve some risk of harm, contrary to the claims of SOCE practitioners and advocate.

And one final point. Lest Rosebush try to claim that his anti-gay work has nothing to do with his current job at the Air Force, I’d ask “why not?”

Rosebush’s entire career for the past two decades has been devoted to “curing” gay people of what he clearly deems a problem, and what his former employers consider an illness and a depravity. How then could Rosebush not include a discussion of sexual orientation in his character and leadership coaching at the US Air Force Academy?

One doubts that Focus on the Family, NARTH, or Exodus (before Exodus apologized, and basically closed up shop) would ever claim that an openly-gay cadet was a person of good character or good leadership.  So why would Rosebush leave something he deems so professionally important out of his work at the Academy?  Or hasn’t he?


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228 Responses to “Air Force Academy has “ex-gay” cure advocate overseeing cadet character coaching”

  1. Stefan Kozinski says:

    All forms of love are forms of God. Even rage is pent-up love waiting to be tenderly released into divine passion. Much more peaceful and manageable than this are most homosexual relationships. It is for all leading members of social institutions to recognize the love, therefore God, in all homosexual relationships as equally as in all heterosexual ones.

  2. The_Fixer says:

    Losing out? On what? You’re “Just sayin'” conjecture does not match up to the reality. Reliable studies have shown that children raised in households headed by gay or lesbian people show no problems out of the ordinary, and some do very well indeed. Just like people raised in households headed by straight people.

    So no, they’re not missing out on anything. Ask them. You’ll find that such children don’t think they’re missing out on anything. So it’s not a “no brainer”.

  3. Moderator4 says:

    Sherman, you and all your other usernames are banned.

  4. Al Falafal says:

    I regard the issue with as much depth & perception as it deserves.

  5. Sherman says:

    Clearly everyone who replied ‘cared’. It warms my heart to know that you’re too stupid to read and comprehend that I just took your words and shoved them back down your already overloaded throats! BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

  6. Pattycake says:

    Why? Because lesbos have legs like tree trunks and love mountain climbing?

  7. Pattycake says:

    Isn’t it kinda a no-brainer that children raised by same-sex couples would be losing out? Just sayin……

  8. Porsche says:

    Well now, Thom Thom the piper’s son, guess your pithy sense of self-righteousness isn’t as pithy as you thought. Maybe time to put a plug in it…..or ANOTHER plug in it!!! lololol

  9. Porsche says:

    Wow, Ted, thanks for your intellectual perspective on this issue. You are truly a man of depth and perception.

  10. Porsche says:

    I find it interesting that this person who is currently a cadet spoke out about this tempest in a teapot and immediately got 2 negative votes. Agenda people, agenda. You’re so wound up in being victims that NOTHING anyone could say would alter your knee-jerk (and I do mean JERK) reaction. Give it a rest! And thank you, Cadet X and all the rest who are serving our country and taking a lot of heat for being such selfless, brave Americans.

  11. Porsche says:

    Say WHAT???

  12. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    I don’t feel intolerance for you, but I sure feel a lot of pity for you. You’ll never feel true passion or romantic love. The ones that your nature intended for you. I hope you are able to get enough from the false life you have chosen to live. I have had a friend die of AIDS related complications. I also know a straight neighbor who died of AIDS. I have never had anonymous sex, and I lived monogamously with one man for 28 years until his death from cancer. Sorry, but I have also never known anyone who drank himself to death.

  13. Tom says:

    I think you are homogenizing so many aspects. First off, so many of the negatives of living a gay life is due to the stigma created by our very detractors. Secondly, I saw of post of yours claiming to have been to a gay pride parade and you seemed to have summed up the entirety of being gay in one extreme experience. Did you ever consider that a gay man is simply a man that is attracted to other man and that’s it? I am one such specimen. I live in a small rural mountain town in the Appalachian mountains and I’ve never attended a gay pride parade, I drive a truck, play video games and drink beer with my (straight) buddies, AND I’ve been in a monogamous relationship with my boyfriend for 12 years now. Being gay doesn’t mean that you cross dress, are promiscuous, are a pedophile, practice exclusively “open” relationships, or that you’re even metro. You decide these things and guess what, straight people do all those things that I just listed, both good and bad. What you are rejecting is the image of a stereotype. If you are happy, wonderful. But what so many of us fail to realize is that what we believe we have discovered to be a “worldly truth” is in fact a “personal truth.” What you perceive as abhorrent may be right at home to someone else. We’re all different, none of us came off the assembly line exactly the same. And while some personalities and their traits most certainly could be considered toxic or abnormal, some of them are just different and just because they’re different doesn’t mean they’re automatically of the bad.

  14. Corey says:

    LMFAO

  15. Corey says:

    I wonder if the “character” they are coaching about will be implemented to help stop all the rapes of females in the military that their heterosexual cohorts keep getting away with. Is being part of a gang rape more of a allowable behavior than gay sex when building someone’s “character”? I’d say, it sure is, especially in the most homoerotic places like fraternities, the military. Seems the dirty minds of men can’t handle all the male skin so they decide raping girls or torturing people, will curb their appetites for cock! Either way, men have been using their personal “weapon of mass destruction” since tine time began, chances are, they always will!

  16. Finn says:

    I’m sorry your reading comprehension skills are so poor! My point was that I found the photo funny due to it’s composition. What was your point? I mean other than unloading your bitterness and anger on a complete stranger over the internet.

  17. karmanot says:

    yep

  18. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    It may be the list of errands I have to run tomorrow.

  19. karmanot says:

    yep

  20. karmanot says:

    True, AA is quite diverse and reflects regional culture. However, it works and saves lives. If the myth of some higher power floats a singing boat—more power to it. ( no pun intended)

  21. karmanot says:

    Yep, what the hell is the homosexual agenda?

  22. karmanot says:

    We’ll just cut to the quick. You will call me Sir.

  23. The_Fixer says:

    You have one comment associated with your profile. I sense this is part of an astroturf campaign.

    Therefore, you have little-to-no credibility with me.

  24. katydid41 says:

    Ok this selection of this ignorant idiotic bigot as the head of counselling at this school shows exactly how homophobic the Air Force really is. This choice cancels all Air Force claims to accepting gays. And of course their treatment of female cadets (rape is their idea of support?) goes along with their feelings toward gays or either gender.

  25. Wonder says:

    your point is???

  26. Dominick J says:

    Yea Dennis you must remain Claim!! ahhhhhhhhhhhahahahaha

  27. Dominickj says:

    THEN why spend all that money Hiring this CHARLATAN!!??? YOU need to step into the real world and truly look around you, in other words You need to stop being in denial. You have to ask yourself WHY on earth would this man Be hired!!!!???? if everything you say is true…

  28. Whitewitch says:

    Hi Cadet X – are you gay? If you are not then how do you know what the “Openly Gay cadets feel or experience. It is often hard to see the prejudice another experiences and we then often assume it does not exist. Thank you for sharing your experience…

  29. Duck says:

    Well, he is associated with the religious right, and in the RRs view, women don’t really count, and bisexuality doesn’t exist. The only concern they have in the LGBT spectrum is gay men (remember bi-men are really gay to the RR). After all, the bible doesn’t mention women lying with women as with…well, women; the bible does condemn gay men to death in multiple verses. Fortunately, the RR has recognized that calling for the execution of gay men is beyond the pale for all but the most rabid of their followers, and even they won’t do so outside of their inner circles for concern of being painted with the WBC brush.
    So as Chris10858 says, this twit can be as “straight” as he can present and still get his homoeroticism on by having his clients confess all of the sordid details of their past sexual escapades and fantasies.

  30. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Maybe the problem is that we can’t hear the same voices he hears.

  31. Cadet X says:

    I am a cadet at the Academy right now, and in my two years here, Dr. Rosebush has never tried to discuss sexual orientation with cadets, nor has the Center for Character and Leadership Development. The Air Force Academy has a club devoted to spreading messages of equality, and I have never seen a gay cadet get discrimminated against for his sexual orientation. The gay cadets here seem pretty happy and comfortable with being openly gay, and other cadets don’t mind them at all. I feel like it is very popular right now to bash the military and especially the Air Force, especially due to the sexual assault cases coming out of BMT at Lackland. I ask that you don’t jump on the band wagon. 99% of the people in the Air Force and at the Academy are awesome individuals who don’t have time to be prejudice because they are focused on the mission of training cadets or protecting our country. Times have changed, and the Academy is very welcoming to cadets of all backgrounds, faiths, and sexual orientations.

  32. vickif says:

    I thought the same. It makes no sense at all.

  33. Al Friend says:

    Read what better? You just proved my point. The links you provide indicate that Rosebush has worked at the Academy for 4 years now, and that he is not the “Chief.” Two facts that americablog fails to mention.

  34. maria says:

    There may be a way to shut up evalgelicals who use class time to proselytize. A retired high school history teacher in my neighborhood told of how when he was taking a course in Middle European History in college, the instructor would about a third of the way through class time start promoting his brand of Protestant religion that included a belief in Predetermined Destiny, where God decides from the minute you are born whether you end up in heaven or hell. You could live a virtuous life but commit a sin at the last minute because God determined you’d end up in hell, or be a complete ogre but reform on your deathbed because God determined you’d end up in heaver. The teacher was angry because this wasn’t the education he worked in a factory all summer to pay for, so one day he pulled a thumbtack of the bulletin board and put it on the proselytizing instructor’s chair. The instructor came in, sat down, hit the ceiling and yelled, “Who did this.” The teacher confessed, expected to be bounced from class and the school, but the instructor asked why he did it. Said the teacher, “Predetermined Destiny. From the minute you we born God determined you’d sit on a tack today. So if I didn’t do it, someone else would have.” The instructor let him take his desk and for the rest of the semester never mentioned his religion again.

  35. Monoceros Forth says:

    What’s especially ironic about the fundie brand of Christianity is how reminiscent are many of its practices to aspects of the paganism they purport to despise. Combing the news for signs that the Rapture is coming soon–how is that materially different from taking the auspices by reading the flight of birds? Going into fits of screaming and glossolalia under the influence of the Holy Spirit–isn’t that a lot like how the Pythia in Delphi or the Cumaean Sibyl would go into an ecstatic trance under the influence of Apollo?

    I get that most of them are hurting and want simple easy answers to their problems, but they are seeking a solution that only feeds their ilness instead of treating it.

    Indeed. I especially get that vibe from the Rapture Ready people. If what you really want and what you’re really convinced is going to happen soon is that Jesus will return and whisk you away bodily into Heaven leaving the rest of the world to suffer then, frankly, deep down you must really hate the world and hate your life.

  36. Ted Faigle says:

    ROSEBUSH?!!!! Isn’t that about the GAYEST name you ever heard? OMG! This guy is doomed to a life of “unwanted homosexuality” and so are his kids… Might as well get used to it, Mike!

  37. DannyEastVillage says:

    When confronted with the idea of “gay agenda” Al Franken used to say, “What do they mean by ‘gay agenda’? That everybody should live in a well-decorated apartment and have a great haircut?”

  38. DannyEastVillage says:

    you left out, “closet case.”

    BTW don’t you just love it when they trot out that silly phrase, “homosexual agenda”?

  39. DannyEastVillage says:

    Dennis, you can return that crap to the dustbin where it belongs. We’ve seen it for years, and finally got it thrown away–assisted by every clinical professional organization you can name. Now do us all a favor and keep your god and your bible to yourself. It doesn’t belong here.

  40. DannyEastVillage says:

    I think this is exactly how they get dates – or, the closest they can allow themselves to come to a date. So to say.

  41. DannyEastVillage says:

    I, thank God, am old enough to remember Mr Peabody (the dog with horn-rim glasses) and his side-kick, “Sherman,” a kid with, I think, auburn hair and glasses. And for the record, I’ve never assumed, or even implied, that Mr Peabody and Sherman had anything that might be construed as an “un-natural relationship.” However, as I read Sherman’s posting, above, I

  42. DannyEastVillage says:

    Mr Allen, I think that’s a good analysis. Sounds like “Sherman” is a little too much in the habit of at least one shaker of martinis before breakfast.

  43. DannyEastVillage says:

    FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHROFLMFAO!!!!!

  44. DannyEastVillage says:

    where in the world did you get THAT idea? Did you not read about the marriage of two former male cadets in the West Point Chapel last month? Meanwhile, the AF Academy is practically legendary for its “christian” proselytizing–even by senior officers. You sound like a pretty confused dude, BillFromDover.

  45. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    I have never “calmed” to be an homosexual.

    “It is interesting that those calming to be homosexuals actually come to that “reality” sometime well after birth and during some time they have been “influenced” through some intervention of some sort”

    How could I have come to the reality of being gay before my birth?

    You seem quite knowledgeable about this subject. It sounds like you have first hand experience with this. How old were you when you decided not to be gay?

    “O don’t really care”

    Please proofread.

  46. BillFromDover says:

    Sir, you are one fucked up dude!

    I will pray for your soul.

  47. Robert Hodge says:

    Wow! Just wow…all I can say is ‘judge not, lest YE be judged… again. Wow (to this Dennis guy!)

  48. Tacomas says:

    oh I just love being an out lesbian in Colorado Springs…
    Start working at home with Google! It’s by-far the best job I’ve had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this – 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, blue76.com

  49. Thom Allen says:

    I think Shermie is seriously confused with a disordered thought process. Or he didn’t have time to finish his post cause his mommie caught him and sent him to bed.

  50. The_Fixer says:

    Hell, I can’t make heads nor tails of that one. I abstain from voting – don’t know what I’m voting on

  51. The_Fixer says:

    I agree, but think you should change this:

    just like those of us who rejected straight life and proudly choose to be gay after we realized our true nature.

    to this:

    just like those of us who rejected being forced into a straight life and proudly chose to embrace our true gay nature.

    Semantics, but it takes the wind out of the sails of those people who think being gay is a choice. You have to remember that there are stupid people who would pipe up and say “See! I told you it was a choice!”.

    Which is, of course, dumb. But I prefer not to give them any fuel.

  52. The_Fixer says:

    It’s kind of like the guy who has that one last drink that puts him “over the edge”. The previous 5 drinks had nothing to do with it – just the one.

    It really is a mass hysteria thing. It’s all endorphins. Some people get their endorphins in the way of a “runner’s high”, others “get the spirit”.

    Personally, nobody I’ve ever seen on a “runner’s high” ever scared me. The born-again-speaking-in-tongues folks do. They completely leave reason behind.

  53. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Oh thank you. I read his comment a couple of times. I was afraid I was losing my mind, because that post wasn’t making any sense to me. I guess Sherman is the one losing his mind.

  54. The_Fixer says:

    Really? You’re going to cite the FRC as having some authority? The same organization that embraced the infamous, very flawed Regnerus study? And you are going to do so on this site?

    The FRC is a hateful, lying and dirty organization.

    Go away and take your link with you.

  55. Ninja0980 says:

    And that has what to do with this story?

  56. BeccaM says:

    Bingo. ‘Peace’ feels he has to believe all of the negative stereotypes.

    Because being a normal, well-adjusted gay person is inconceivable — and probably unavoidably tempting if he acknowledges that such a thing could ever exist.

  57. BeccaM says:

    My wife and I are a couple of old (now legally married) lesbians living on a small farm in semi-rural New Mexico. There are a bazillion different ways of being gay than the stupid stereotypes you’ve latched onto.

    We’re monogamous. We’re so normal-looking, it’d make your homophobic little head spin. We don’t do drugs and we’re not alcoholics, but we do each enjoy a G&T now and then or some wine. We do not hang out at gay bars having anonymous sex.

    If self-destructive sex habits and drug addictions is what you think being gay is all about, you have one hell of a lot to unlearn, kid.

    You need to lose some serious baggage there, because if “gays lead bad lifestyles” is the only thing really keeping you from being a gay man, you’ll end up just being a repressed, suicidally unhappy one with a secret porn stash under the floorboards and ulcers from unnecessary self-shaming.

  58. Al Friend says:

    John, you need to fact check a little better: Rosebush has been working at the Academy since 2009, he wasn’t just recently hired as you imply. Also, he is not the “Chief” of the Leadership center, he is an “Operations Research Analyst.” Did you even call the academy to verify your story before rushing to print? Not saying there isn’t the potential to bring his anti-gay beliefs to his job there, but you have a responsibility to report the facts accurately — but then that wouldn’t make for as salacious a story, would it???

  59. BeccaM says:

    Or maybe it’s much simpler than that wall of text you posted and you’re just a plain old homophobic bigot.

  60. Max Vero says:

    So you think god has ink stains on his fingers from all that writing, do you? Well, IF you’ve read the whole thing from cover to cover and still think god could have written some of that stuff, I really think you need your mind (not to mention your heart) seen to. Really. Seriously. But you can believe what you want; and, honestly, you can have your righteous, all-knowing opinions and live ’em as best you can; but keep them away from us sinners. Please. Your smugness turns my stomach and I believe Jesus himself had some choice words for those who trusted in themselves that they were righteous. (You remember Jesus? You know, the one it’s all about? Not Paul, not Ezekiel, not Moses; Jesus? Remind me again what *he* said on the subject. I’ll wait patiently. . . .) Meanwhile, if you find my attitude towards you offensive, I point you back to the verbal tsunami of righteous (not to say ill-informed) glibness with which you disposed of every person whose sexual identity you find so offensive. You merit a lot more offensive responses than I could ever contrive. Fortunately, very few of us really ever get what we deserve. We can all thank god for that.

    I also urge you, really really urge you, to spend some time on the Matthew Vines site and the video of his 2012 talk on the Bible and Homosexuality. Whether he convinces you or not, you may at least begin to see that the issue is not quite so neat as you seem to believe it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQjNJUSraY

  61. BillFromDover says:

    Why isn’t this guy at West Point where his philosophies would be more readily accepted?

  62. Randy says:

    Doyle, please — We can see you a mile away.

  63. Randy says:

    If you go to a fundie church you quickly realize most of them have at least a mild mental illness. Believing in demons, magic, spirits is not rational. They live in an alternate reality. I get that most of them are hurting and want simple easy answers to their problems, but they are seeking a solution that only feeds their ilness instead of treating it.

  64. Strepsi says:

    Focus on the Family is a hate group.

  65. Thom Allen says:

    And don’t forget all of the “shaft” jokes, either.

  66. Finn says:

    The stock photo of Navy graduation is hilarious to me. The entire composition of the photo points to one little, um… point….

  67. Thom Allen says:

    sherwoman, I think you should lay off the hard stuff for a few days before you try to post. But, even if you did, I’m still not sure that you’d make sense. Or that anyone would care.

  68. Wallabee says:

    This article compares homosexual vs. heterosexual couples behaviors. Maybe these stats are being used when the predominantly male organizations are choosing who should guide them – – – just a thought.

    http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

  69. carolyncathey says:

    oh I just love being an out lesbian in Colorado Springs…

  70. Nicholas A Kocal says:

    This “man”is not qualified to pickup litter in the street, much less being in a position of authority.

  71. Sherman says:

    Hmmmmm……wonder what you’d think if someone said

    GLBT will ‘die alone, scared, and confused because anyone they ever came into contact
    with unfortunately more than likely killed themselves, was driven off
    the deep end, or used their brains and forgot about them the second they
    realized how pathetic they and their cause were.’

    or

    ‘This is just more results from allowing the BLGT zealots take over these institutions.’

    or

    ‘I’m not sure that it’s a free choice. Have you even been surrounded by a
    few GLBT? It’s almost worth it to get dunked in a public pool just
    to get away from them.’

    BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…….shoe’s on the other foot, eh what?

  72. mike31c says:

    I think this boy is just looking for a date.

  73. Stev84 says:

    Makes sense, since AA is a pseudo-religious cult.

  74. Stev84 says:

    Yeah, it’s so ridiculous how the punish thought crimes. Just a way for churches to control people and make sure they keep “sinning”.

    Just noticing that other people are attractive his harmless. It’s only wrong when you stare at them and make them uncomfortable with it. Or when you cheat with them.

  75. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with a roving eye. God created beautiful bodies (both male and female). I would think God would be angered if you did not admire his handiwork.

    I spent 28 years with my late husband. I loved him completely and thoroughly. Neither one of us felt the other should not look at other men. We were monogamous, so looking was it. We use to find it quite amusing when we caught ourselves looking at the same guy.

  76. Monoceros Forth says:

    There are various lewd references to “bottom” that I will not make.

  77. Monoceros Forth says:

    There is much about the AA method that makes sense to me but, you’re right, it’s pervaded with the “rock bottom” mindset and that can be dangerous I think, putting too much focus on dramatic Lost Weekend-style binge drinking.

  78. karmanot says:

    “I try to be real about what is real inside of me” Boy, those were the days: P-Town, Fire Island, Key West, SF, NY and Chicago.

  79. karmanot says:

    I always embraced a night in the Mineshaft as the best of rock bottom.

  80. karmanot says:

    and AA

  81. Thom Allen says:

    What’s really alarming is the DEGREE that they take it to. How many have been bitten by holding rattlesnakes? How many have died? How many have let their children die, refusing medical care for treatable diseases? How many get preventable diseases and then spread them to others, by refusing vaccinations? How many go into ecstasies of hate against other religions, against other SECTS of their religion, against, blacks, gays, Jews, etc. And they can conveniently make God the reason or the excuse.

  82. Naja pallida says:

    Dogs don’t start out that way, they’re made that way by humans. Same goes for bigots.

  83. Thom Allen says:

    Except the few mean ones – the canine version of homophobes.

  84. DannyEastVillage says:

    valid perhaps. convincing–not by a long shot. you’ve boxed yourself in. And it’s not just unfair to you–it’s so unfair to your wife.

  85. karmanot says:

    Or watch reruns of ‘Grave and Will’ on cable

  86. karmanot says:

    A little touchy about Mr. God I see, Otherwise I couldn’t agree more.

  87. karmanot says:

    He can’t see it Fixer. It’s all about the self loathing and avoidance. He might have a case if he focused how much he loves his wife, how at peace he his, how he ‘chose’ to be straight and now has a contented life—–just like those of us who rejected straight life and proudly choose to be gay after we realized our true nature.

  88. DannyEastVillage says:

    is that really all you saw? all you remember? all you know about it? I’d say that means, more than anything, that you’ve been trying for years to sublimate repressed desires. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SEX. And, for God’s sake, do you not read other gay media? I know damn well you do. And you don’t see–or don’t allow yourself to dream about for yourself–the myriad stories of gay people marrying, having homes, families, children and wonderful lives together? You have really, really stacked the deck against yourself. and you’re destroying yourself by doing it.

  89. Monoceros Forth says:

    Are you now or have you ever been a Ford owner? (The question is about as relevant.)

  90. DannyEastVillage says:

    the conversion therapy DOES NOT WORK AND DAMAGES PEOPLE. Every clinician who follows standards of practice in her/his profession will tell you that–just like every one of the guys who operates one of those ex-gay “ministries ends up closing it down after he’s been screwing one of his colleagues for a few months. Or years. After he’s been “repaired.” Dude, get your head out of the sand and live YOUR life–not the life some phony hasn’t the courage to live himself and therefore has to tell you that you mustn’t either. It’s all so transparent. And you REALLY think BDSM is what being gay is all about? Really???

  91. karmanot says:

    Don’t mention Ben Cohen, his fantasizing might change.

  92. Monoceros Forth says:

    The “rock bottom” trope is an insidious one, isn’t it? I’m sure it does more harm than good.

    It’s so weird, anyway, fixating so completely and enthusiastically on this one moment of your life, as if nothing else mattered. It’d be like trying to spend your entire life trying to relive and recreate the moment you first fell in love. (Wait, I guess that does happen…)

  93. Jerry Reiter says:

    I don’t know, but Jeff Konrad is put forth as an actual person when he was a fictional creation of Mike Haley.

  94. karmanot says:

    My guess is that you are headed for a wide stance in the future.

  95. karmanot says:

    Oh, the slings and arrows of outrageous S&M.

  96. karmanot says:

    You do need help.

  97. Monoceros Forth says:

    I went to a fundie church service once and saw it there. It was like mass hysteria.

    It’s frightening enough to watch on film; I imagine that if I were watching such an event in person I’d be out the back door and running for my life within a minute.

    I guess I don’t have anything against this sort of mystical, ecstatic form of religious experience–nihil humanum a me alienum, I tell myself–but it is foreign to the way my mind works and I mistrust the lessons that such experiences have to teach, if indeed there are any lessons they can teach. In any case there’s nothing specifically godly, in the Christian sense, about such religious ecstasies.

  98. shawnsargent2000 says:

    This choice is completely unacceptable. I shall not stand.

  99. karmanot says:

    Calm down now, we understand you ‘chose’ hetro. That’s your story and you are sticking to it.

  100. Ranger27 says:

    Are you currently, or have ever been, in the military?

  101. karmanot says:

    Conversions and rebirth are simply a way of avoiding responsibility for a life of ignorance, amorality and lack of self respect.

  102. karmanot says:

    “it is with the One that wrote the Bible” Oh please, at least 4O distinct’ authors wrote the Bible. As for the ‘One’ please spare us your ridiculous brainwashed nonsense.

  103. Michael Braithwaite says:

    This puke should be held accountable for every venomous word that slips from that forked tongue of his. He’ll die alone, scared, and confused because anyone he ever came into contact with unfortunately more than likely killed themselves, was driven off the deep end, or used their brains and forgot about him the second they realized how pathetic he and his cause were.

  104. Naja pallida says:

    That is one of the nice things about dogs. They are willing to give anyone a chance.

  105. Michael Braithwaite says:

    I’m pretty sure you’re not qualified to spout the quackery that you have let alone understand it. You’re an embarrassment to this world. I love you, and I mean that in the gayest way possible.

  106. smoother says:

    This is just more results from allowing the religious zealots take over these institutions. The Air Force is one of the worst.
    There is blatant discrimination of ‘others’ who don’t buy the fundies propaganda.

    Careers are derailed, promotions are denied and company shunning is prevalent.

    Atheism now, atheism tomorrow, atheism forever.

  107. Duck says:

    Oddly, this is how I feel about the antics of heteros at Carnival and Mardi Gras. Are you not shocked and taken aback by the outlandish behavior exhibited at these celebrations? Or is it perfectly fine for heteros to be drunken, half naked and parading their partial nudity on public streets?

  108. Duck says:

    I would put forth that one cannot repair something (e.g. ‘reparative’ therapy) that isn’t broken in the first place.

  109. Thom Allen says:

    That’s a very good description. These college evangelicals, and ones I’ve run into later, like some fundies in Texas, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Nevada and a few other places. It’s as if they were addicts and I was the dealer. Their faces lit up in near-ecstasy. They seemed to feed off of each other.

    I went to a fundie church service once and saw it there. It was like mass hysteria. They had a “testimonials” part of the service. People would “testify” about how Jesus came into their lives, sanctified them, etc. It started off slowly and then, as the congregation got worked up, there was dancing, shouting, screaming, crying. Then people screamed as the spirit descended. They started speaking in tongues, fainting, etc. It was actually scary to see them transformed into these caricatures of piety each trying to outdo their neighbors. I could see something like this happening at a witch trial – everyone getting caught up with God, evil, demons etc. and then demanding that the witch be killed.

  110. Stev84 says:

    And many of those conversation stories are fake because an ordinary conversion doesn’t cut it anymore. There is a constant contest about who was the most rock bottom and wretched before they were “saved”. You see that in “ex-gay” stories too.

  111. Stev84 says:

    Focus on the Family

  112. Monoceros Forth says:

    I can believe it. A lot of that evangelical behavior really seems strange to me, strange in the way that a disastrously bad TV ad campaign is strange. In both cases you watch and wonder: how could anyone possibly think that this approach would appeal to anyone?

    Evangelical Christianity in America puts a tremendous amount of weight on the conversion experience, it seems to me. I’ve come across the notion somewhere that really it’s like a dose of a narcotic in the sense that the big moment in which you are supposedly baptized by the Holy Spirit and born again is an ecstatic, pleasurable moment. The zeal for “witnessing” and raking in converts, according to this notion, is a way of vicariously reliving that ecstatic experience, a way of keeping the high going.

  113. Thom Allen says:

    Bomer, please don’t rock his boat. He’s very delicately balanced on just the straight v “homosexual” issue. Hitting him with lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, intersex, asexuals would send him over the edge.

  114. Bomer says:

    Americablog-Gay and the rainbow in the O didn’t give it away?

    It’s great you are attracted to your wife but you do know that bisexuality exists, right? Just because a man is married to a woman doesn’t mean he still can’t be attracted to men. Same goes for women.

  115. Lthomas320 says:

    Hell, yeah!

  116. Bomer says:

    “If this is what being homosexual turns into, I need help NOW!”

    This makes no sense. Just because I see people acting a certain way does not mean that I will act that way too. It’s like saying that if I go to Mardi Gras I will be compelled to flash my dick to get beads. Yeah, no.

    Same goes for your S&M comment. Also, as others have pointed out, straight people do all those things too.

  117. Thom Allen says:

    Never had any as friends, or even acquaintances for very long. But, when in college, we had a number of very active christian fundie groups that would periodically surround various students, shouting and trying to save them. We also had a Jewish sect that tried to do the same. I made the mistake of stopping to listen to them one day. And sensing a potential convert, well, I can only say that it reminded me of a scene of a group of sharks in a feeding frenzy – all teeth, lots of noise, snapping jaws, etc.

  118. Thom Allen says:

    You’re dating yourself? That’s too bad. Can’t you find a real woman to date?

  119. Monoceros Forth says:

    I admit, I’ve never known any fundies as personal friends, though I did a long while ago use to correspond regularly with a number of right-wing Christians thanks to being on a mailing list devoted to C. S. Lewis. (Left ages ago. The list went from marginally tolerable to absolutely insane after 9/11.) I can appreciate that if you grow up in a fundie environment from childhood it’s going to warp you; you can’t really call it “choice” in that case.

  120. Thom Allen says:

    I’m not sure that it’s a free choice. Have you even been surrounded by a few fundies? It’s almost worth it to get dunked in a public pool just to get away from them.

  121. Thom Allen says:

    1. You accused me of finding your POV “unthinkable.” I never said that in any of my posts. YOU put those words in my mouth. What I said was that your story is anecdotal, at best. Claiming that others have been successfully “cured” form something that isn’t a disease, without presenting evidence, is laughable. And sad. You must think that there are many people who are every bit as gullable as you are.

    2. Your posts went from supporting Rosebush to talking about how Gay Pride was frightening to you to suddenly how BDSM was a problem. You tried, and failed, to successfully promote for exgay therapy. You can provide no evidence that it works, yet you expect me to believe you because it “worked” for you and now you’re straight and have children. Of course, all of that could be a “fairy” tale. And, of course, the vast numbers of those who have become exGay are now closeted about it because it’s even more shameful to be an exGay than to be gay. So you went from being a closeted “homosexual” to being a closeted “exhomosexual.” Yes, that really does seem to be a major improvement.

    Buddy, you’ve got some serious problems with your thinking.

  122. Monoceros Forth says:

    You want to spend the rest of your life miserable and flagellating yourself every time you have an impure thought? Fine. Knock yourself out. Go and be sinless on your own time and leave the rest of us grownups alone.

  123. Monoceros Forth says:

    “…during some time they have been ‘influenced’ through some intervention of some sort: be it confusion during a weak moment in life…”

    Oh, sort of like how evangelical Jesus freaks try to pick up converts by claiming that being born again in Christ is the cure for all their personal problems?

    Nobody is born a fundie Christian nutcase. Now that is a real “lifestyle choice”.

  124. Peace says:

    Thom, you are very good at putting words in other people’s mouths. I have never said these things you’re accusing me of.

  125. Monoceros Forth says:

    “…be it confusion during a weak moment in life…”

    Sounds more like what happens to born-again Christians, honestly.

  126. Thom Allen says:

    Perhaps you need to reread some of your posts. Your position continues to “evolve” as you add nuances. Perhaps if you had some convincing evidence that exGay therapy works . . . but you don’t. So we’re all supposed to accept that it works because you, and Rosebush say it does.

    Just as it’s truly unthinkable for you to accept that exGay therapy has HURT many people, perhaps caused them to commit suicide.

  127. Peace says:

    I admit I was sheltered and unaware of LOTS of things. I’m dating myself, but this was before the Internet, so lots of things weren’t as widely known as they are now.

  128. Stev84 says:

    You are aware that there is tons of porn where women do that to men, are you?

  129. Stev84 says:

    You are reading from the same stereotypical script as most other so-called “ex-gays”.

  130. Peace says:

    It truly is unthinkable to you that ppl have been helped by reparative therapy. Oh well, ‘A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.’ I guess if I don’t tell you what you want to hear you’ll continue to be sarcastic in your responses.

  131. Stev84 says:

    You will rarely find that there.

  132. chris10858 says:

    This is why we have to fight people like Rosebush and others like him with every ounce of our being.

    ____________________

    14yo gay teen killed himself after years of bullying at school

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10453027/Gay-son-of-child-abuse-campaigner-killed-himself-after-years-of-bullying-at-school.html

  133. Thom Allen says:

    So, you liked “homosexuality” you just didn’t like the BDSM aspect that a lot more straight people practice than “homosexuals” do. And, fearing that teh evil BDSMer “homosexuals” would ensnare poor, helpless you, you fled to gay conversion “therapy.” I’ll give you this, you’re becoming more creative with each post.

  134. Peace says:

    LOL…..

  135. DannyEastVillage says:

    I have no objection to transparent use of mythic constructs to facilitate truck with the inexplicable. I have no objection to use of science to explain as much as we can be with empirical tools and reasoning. I chose, in my posting, to meet that person within the construct in which I inferred he’d be comfortable, and believe that to be appropriate.. Your attitude, in addition to being closed-minded, is unhelpful, and, in fact suggests an ignorance as difficult to tolerate as that of fundamentalist bible-brayers. And, just in passing, I did not use a masculine pronoun in my posting to refer to deity.

  136. Thom Allen says:

    Hmmm, I wonder if Peace (and/or Dennis) could be Dr. Rosebush? Just sayin’

  137. Peace says:

    Let’s just say I reconsidered the implications of pursuing anything…..I was in college. I really was disgusted. The S & M stuff I had never seen. There were people being whipped and guys who’s balls were the size of a softball.

  138. Thom Allen says:

    You’ve done much more than weigh in on an article – you’ve gone on to preach for gay conversion therapy and make assumptions about the gay – pardon me – homosexual lifestyle.

    OK, so your proof that gay conversion therapy works?

  139. Thom Allen says:

    I think you nailed him, Fixer.

  140. Thom Allen says:

    So you just ASSUMED that you’d start acting out in public dressed in a silver lame ball gown, eye shadow, a Sarah Palin hairdo and feathers? Wow, what incredible shallowness and lack of any self-insight. I can see why you felt the need for “therapy.”

  141. Thom Allen says:

    “I honestly didn’t know this was a blog with mostly homosexual ppl posting.”

    You see, you STILL have a “homosexual” attraction, it’s just now even more strongly rooted in your subconscious. All of the ExGay “therapy” just drove it deeper. You’re craving “homosexual” contact any way you can get it. You’re acting out on your repressed sexual desires by posting, repeatedly, on this, a GAY, blog. Tell me again how “cured” you are.

    And you were probably here to watch the KMart Jingle Balls video.

  142. Peace says:

    I’m just speaking for myself. Again, it’s really hard to get any answers to these questions from people who don’t want to be embroiled in controversy. Lots of people with suicidal thoughts or depression don’t share that with others outside a close-knit circle. I never made the sweeping statements you’re making here. I simply wanted to weigh in on an article after I read it.

  143. karmanot says:

    You don’t recognize the ‘abundance’ of grace here because you are closed minded and have been brainwashed to be a bigot.

  144. karmanot says:

    “It’s how God made you,” excellent except for the myth that there is a god who makes anything and moreover is a He.

  145. Peace says:

    In my case this isn’t so. I actually was taken aback by the outlandish behavior of people when I witnessed my first Gay Pride parade. I actually thought, “If this is what being homosexual turns into, I need help NOW!”

  146. The_Fixer says:

    Curiously, your profile shows no history of commenting on any other story aside from this one.

    I think you’re a conversion therapy fan who created this account solely for the purpose of spreading your view on this particular subject. I don’t think you deserve much, if any credibility.

    And you didn’t honestly know that this was a blog with a lot of LGBT and allied people posting comments? Did you read before you posted? There were many comments posted before you posted yours, you didn’t get the hint? I don’t believe that. I think you have an agenda and that this may well be a shadow account.

  147. Thom Allen says:

    If you want grace, go to church.

  148. karmanot says:

    Well stated Fixer!