Mozilla / Firefox hires anti-gay “Prop 8” supporter as new CEO

The Firefox Web browser is facing mounting criticism for hiring a new CEO, Brendan Eich, who donated $1,000 to the campaign to pass Proposition 8 in California.

Prop 8 was the Mormon-backed ballot measure that successfully eradicated the right of gay couples in California to marry in 2008.  A subsequent legal challenge finally struck down Prop 8 last summer, in 2013.

Eich, the creator of javascript, was chosen to be the new CEO of the Mozilla Foundation, a Google-funded organization that overseas a number of ventures, including the Firefox browser.


UPDATE: The man behind Uganda’s anti-gay pogrom, Martin Seempa, has just weighed in on behalf of Eich and Mozilla.  Just when you thought things couldn’t get worse for Firefox.  Ssempa, who is one of the architects of the country’s new “jail gays for life in prison” legislation believes that it is “heterophobic” to oppose anti-gay bigotry:


Mozilla, for its part, released a statement claiming that the organization, which is now run by an anti-gay activist, is “deeply committed to honoring diversity in sexual orientation and beliefs within our staff and community.”

Arstechnica reports that some are defending Eich’s appointment, ironically, in the name of diversity:

Brendan Eich, official Mozilla Foundation photo

Brendan Eich, official Mozilla Foundation photo, with a little artistic license from me.

Another Mozillian, W3C co-chair Daniel Glazman, offered support for Eich. Glazman attempted to divorce politics from the greater Mozilla mission: “We, as a community, cannot promote openness and freedom of choice without a deep respect for individual beliefs. A reminder of Brendan’s personal choices years ago is unfair and violates the core values of the Mozilla community.”

Oh, so you hired the gay-basher for freedom.

Just to get this straight, as it were, by choosing a new CEO who helped rip the hearts out of gay families across California, who stomped on their civil and human rights, Mozilla is actually “promoting freedom.”

Well, then why stop with an anti-gay bigot? Just imagine the freedom Mozilla could promote by hiring the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

Oh but that’s right, Mozilla would never hire an avowed racist or anti-Semite to head its foundation.  And no one would defend such a hire as promoting freedom.  But when it comes to bashing gays, suddenly the definition of freedom gets a wee bit murkier.

I also have a slight bone to pick with this notion that donating $1,000 to an anti-civil-rights campaign in 2008 is a “personal choice years ago.” No one is talking about the man getting a BJ in the bushes when he was 16.  Brendan Eich was 46(ish) years old when he decided to help repeal the civil rights of his fellow Americans.  Let’s not pretend that this was some youthful indiscretion.

When Eich’s Prop 8 donation first became known last year, he offered this hurt-puppy defense in a blog post with the Orwellian title “Community and Diversity”:

I’m not going to discuss Prop 8 here or on Twitter. There is no point in talking with the people who are baiting, ranting, and hurling four-letter abuse. Personal hatred conveyed through curse words is neither rational nor charitable, and strong feelings on any side of an issue do not justify it.

In contrast, people expressing non-abusive anger, sadness, or disagreement, I understand, grieve, and humbly accept.

No Hate

Ignoring the abusive comments, I’m left with charges that I hate and I’m a bigot, based solely on the donation. Now “hate” and “bigot” are well-defined words. I say these charges are false and unjust.

First, I have been online for almost 30 years. I’ve led an open source project for 14 years. I speak regularly at conferences around the world, and socialize with members of the Mozilla, JavaScript, and other web developer communities. I challenge anyone to cite an incident where I displayed hatred, or ever treated someone less than respectfully because of group affinity or individual identity.

Second, the donation does not in itself constitute evidence of animosity. Those asserting this are not providing a reasoned argument, rather they are labeling dissenters to cast them out of polite society. To such assertions, I can only respond: “no”.

I particularly like Eich’s invocation of the phrase “No Hate,” which just happens to be a well-known campaign against anti-gay intolerance. (I’d have gone with “No Homo.”)

brendan-eich-firefoxI suspect Eich is playing the “love the sinner, hate the sin” game here. Which makes me wonder what his true motivations really were. We know that a large number of Prop 8 supporters were Mormons, 50% in fact. So I’m just curious what prompted Eich to give $1,000 to a campaign to harm gay families.

Regardless, you just can’t support anti-gay ballot initiatives, that rip away the civil and human rights of gay families, and then claim that there’s no hate and no animosity.  I get that Mormons, for example, and the religious right, like to claim that they’re somehow helping gays by bashing gays, but no one outside of gay-bashers themselves buy that argument.

And I go back to my original point: I seriously doubt that Mozilla would have hired, let alone defended, a CEO who donated $1,000 to David Duke.

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134 Responses to “Mozilla / Firefox hires anti-gay “Prop 8” supporter as new CEO”

  1. Sarah Palin says:

    FASCISTS leftist emasculated anti free speech maggots are a bunch of low life losers,

  2. Sams_1 says:

    heterophobia now you are talking

  3. Sams_1 says:

    Hi big brother , mamma loves me best…and Thank you Jesus

  4. Clipper says:

    I don’t care, it’s a stinking, rotten company and desperately needs to be put out of business for good!

  5. Clipper says:

    Repeat after me:

    HEH HEH!

    HO HO!


    HEH HEH!

    HO HO!


    HEH HEH!

    HO HO!


    HEH HEH!

    HO HO!


  6. Clipper says:

    Don’t just get mad! BOY COT MOZILLA!

  7. Clipper says:

    It’s clear now that only war will save America from its low life scum. Let’s duke it out!

  8. Clipper says:

    Some gays, their stooges, and cronies have totally taken leave of their senses. Something akin to the reign of terror of homosexual pedophile Ernst Rohm, head of Hitler’s Brown Shirts, is the America we now live in. It’s time we stop making excuses for those who will continue descending into their own depravity until they face their own Nuremberg trials.

  9. Queerist says:

    Sam Yagan, CEO of OkCupid, boycotts Firefox and gains goodwill from the LGBT community, which one presumes he’ll try to turn into increased market share. All the while he, and OkCupid, fails to mention his own nearly identical act of donating to a candidate who supported Prop 8-like legislation in Utah? ( ). Where is the outrage, Mr. Aravosis?

  10. ElmoS says:

    I am going to remove the Mozilla from my computer because of not letting a person profess of his belief and the right to free speech. You have lost me because of this.

  11. Foxie says:

    I would rather ask how many gays die killing themselves or hurt each other even when they are “married”. Marriage is older than USA or California and probably older even than any court of law in the history of mankind. It survived neolitic pagans, ancient Greeks and Romans, French Revolution (attempted to abolish it), Nietzsche and will survive (once again) ancient Americans.

  12. Papa says:

    Actually, Mozilla is a non-profit, not a charity.

  13. David Wilson says:

    That is an outright lie….I’ve heard Ron and Rand comment on it several times and they are not racist or homophobe. You are a liar.

  14. David Wilson says:

    Do you understand how low and creepy it is to ban freedom of speech….Moderator4 you need to ban yourself for being a communist. Using intolerance to to attack a person’s (not hate) personal opinion is not ok. You are 1stAmendmentphobic….and sad.

  15. barry says:

    And who did your fellow perverts donate to?:

  16. barry says:

    What tolerance and bigotry from the social degenerates on parade. Since when is your colon a sexual organ?

  17. Fred Eaglesmith says:

    “Anti-gay”? Quit making shit up.

  18. LiberalXaltotun says:

    HAHAHA you got bounced. Fucking bigot.

  19. LiberalXaltotun says:


  20. LiberalXaltotun says:

    Obvious homosexual here.

  21. Moderator4 says:

    Two plus two is, you are out of here.

  22. two plus two is four says:

    Marriage, also called matrimony, is the covenant by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring. Can man and man have offspring? No! Can woman and woman have offspring? No! Are all gay people born of heterosexual parents? Yes of course they are! Where the hell else would babies come from! Why all the hate towards heterosexuals and those who want to protect this institution people? Since you are all products of mom (female) and dad (male) situations clearly it all boils down to that. You can imitate man and women matrimony all you want but you can never duplicate it! But whatever you do will never be in its essence marriage – no matter if you are the only ones who think it is!

  23. two plus two is four says:

    Do you even know what a bigot is? You don’t do you? There is nothing to indicate that Brendan Eich is in fact a bigot. But if he is considered a bigot then you and all your other theophobes and heterophobes are very much bigots as well. A bigot is someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person’s opinion, ethnicity, evaluative orientation, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation,disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.
    Opposing so called “same-sex” marriage (as if that could really ever truly exist no matter what you and the constitution say) is far from treating other people with fear distrust or hatred. However your comments above are clearly full of hate towards others with opinions that differ from your own. So again yes you are the bigot!

  24. kurtsteinbach says:

    Well, I guess our efforts work. This POS resigned today under pressure from within Mozilla and from users…. Yeah!

  25. Martin Ssempa says:

    Its hard to discuss with individuals who face the biological facts of their gender, and they choose to ignore those facts claiming they are something else. Truth among those who have been affected by the virulent heterophobia of the LGBT is scorned. Drive the normal heterosexuals into the concetration camps! Next step is burning the bible and lyinching the preachers!

  26. Luigi Proud DemoCat! says:

    In addition to donating to restrict rights through Proposition 8, Brendan Eich donated to homophobe and racist Pat Buchanan and donated 23 times to a Tea Party candidate who said this on his website

    “Marriage is a unique institution in which a man and a woman summon a child into the world – creating a unique tapestry of responsibilities. Our marriage laws are designed to support those responsibilities and are simply inapplicable to any other kind of relationship. Lincoln asked, “If you call a tail a leg, how many legs has a dog? The answer is four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it one.” And calling a homosexual partnership a marriage doesn’t make it one.”

  27. TellMeImDreaming says:

    “A $1,000 donation about two years ago? Let it go.” – about 4 below.
    I don’t care if the donation was 30 years ago. If he hasn’t changed his mind he’s still a bigot who supports discrimination by the government in his name. How the hell is anyone gay supposed to feel as safe and secure in their positions as their straight co-workers? Dare they put picture of their family on their desk? He publicly supports something hateful and then now resents the hate that returns. “No harm in trying” does not apply to ballot propositions to legally discriminate. Hopefully this will be a footnote in this chapter of “Horrible Things Done For Centuries in God’s Name”.

  28. TellMeImDreaming says:

    Hiring a bigot to head a charity? Seems an oxymoron doesn’t it.
    It appears we’re headed towards some kind of grandfather clause for homophobes. Something like ‘we understand, it’s hard to change”. Last time we put up with crap like that was after Reconstruction (when the republicans sold out the freedmen and woman to win an election) and we ended up with Jim Crow for eight decades. I for one do not want to see gays wait a minute more than necessary for their long denied rights now that it’s pretty clear they are as equally human as any of us.

  29. Luigi Proud DemoCat! says:

    It get’s worse for Bigot Brendan. Now, it comes out that he’s a big supporter of racist homophobes Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan –

  30. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    His action (contribution) helped hurt a group of people. You cannot really expect that group to use a product with which that man is connected. Their friends may also feel the same way. The corporation will then decide what it will do. If you don’t believe that his actions can hurt people, watch the movie “Bridegroom”.

  31. Sam Staskiewicz says:

    I’m pro-gay marriage. I’m against reprisals for peoples political views or political contributions.

    For some non-profits I can picture rejecting candidates for leadership because they are too political, either in my political direction or another direction. Some jobs do require the appearance of political neutrality. Hopefully not many, I don’t think Mozilla is one of those types of organizations.

    A $1,000 donation about two years ago? Let it go. Neither pro-prop 8 donors nor anti-prop 8 donors ought suffer professionally for their political participation.

  32. Thomas Mc says:

    Mozilla just lost me. I’m looking for a replacement for Thunderbird starting today.

  33. BornSlippy says:

    I believe when you use the words: Churches and politics in the same sentence – that is where the problem begins… It’s bad enough that religions attack a specific group on the premise that they have interpreted their religious beliefs in a particular… but, that’s where it should end… with that group. If a Church is coercing it’s congregation in to contributing to cause to promote their own agenda, using political means – I think that is absolutely wrong.

  34. Ricky says:

    He did not donate to a church – he donated to Protect Marriage – whose sole purpose was to take away the right of Gay and Lesbian Californians to marry – and so we are clear – what he could not know at the time – what no one could know – what ultimately had to be decided by the courts – was whether Proposition 8 would nullify the Gay and Lesbian marriages that had already taken place.
    Taking away the rights of Gays and Lesbians – and possibly nullifying the marriages that had already taken place was the sole purpose of Protect Marriage and Proposition 8 – and Eich supported it with donations not only to protect marriage – but to the Congressman was was largely responsible for Proposition 8.
    Yes, by all means dear – lecture the rest of us about the politics of hate.

  35. Ricky says:

    So the CEO of Mozilla is programming language – I did not know that – what I do know is the CEO of Mozilla contributed $1,000 to take away – again, take away – again, take away – again, take away – the right of Gay and Lesbian Californians to get married. This was not about opposing same sex marriage – this was about taking away a right that had been given by the courts – and enjoyed by thousands of Gays and Lesbians in California.
    Eich saw the happy joyous faces of Gays and Lesbians finally being able to marry in California and he worked to stop that happiness – when you actively work to stop the realization of a dream – you are a dream killer – which should be Mozilla’s new name.
    During the 4 year battle to get the rights back that were already granted by the courts – but were taken away by the efforts of those like Eich – how many gays and lesbians died in California unable to realize the dream of being married? 1, 2, 2,000 – how many?
    Eich’s actions are a lot uglier and sinister than you, Mozilla, or Eich are willing to admit to. You can do whatever you want with your computer and your money – but don’t you dare lecture the rest of us.

  36. Logic says:

    How can a programming language be anti-gay? How does that even work?
    Most of the comments and what this is about is retarded… you might just say that computers are anti-gay because they use binary.
    I couln’t care less about who wrote the program as long as I know what it does and it’s useful in some way to me. But hey, computers are also dicriminating against white wall for all I know.
    Let’s get started shall we?

    Chrome – nice browser that collects all your personal information and stores it on google servers for use by google and .
    Firefox – similar to above but has a anti-gay CEO.
    Safari – worse than google chrome in security.
    Opera – same as google chrome.

    Oh wait they all use anti-gay javascript! let’s all download lynx, elinks or wget every webpage so we can avoid javascript… text based web browsers are the way of the future yay!
    Oh and stop using windows and Mac because both force you to have the default browser with javascript… let’s all move to GNU/Linux and not ubuntu but gentoo or lfs so we can make sure there will be no anti-gay code or even OpenBSD as there in non there.

  37. Based God says:

    Yeah. Donating to Churches are always a terrible thing; because if their politics conflict with AmericaBlog’s, you can bet your sweet ass (pun intended) that you’ll get a free article of hatred.

  38. hurf says:

    Copypasta from 4chan:

    “I’m gay and I can not stress it enough

    This is fucking stupid. He
    has a right to dislike two people fucking as much as I have a right to
    dislike vaginas. Yeah, I think that christfags insisting that romance
    sanctioned by the angry god of the jews gets a special place in law is
    dumb. I think any specific definition “marriage” beyond “two people get
    their families together and maybe fuck” being in law is dumb, because
    this country was founded for people to be free, not for people to bow
    before the 2000 year old dead hebrew. Just, please, stop this “gays must
    be protected” shit.

    Haven’t you learned anything from history?
    From class at school? From social dynamics in general? People don’t get
    acceptance from being protected. They get acceptance by being ignored.

    nerd can’t become cool if the bullies keep stealing his lunch money,
    but he can’t if the teacher doesn’t stop favoring him too.

    or favoring gays in any way is separating us from society for liking a
    different brand of sex. It’s creating a “gay identity” and a horrendous
    “gay culture” and generally giving people more and more reasons to hate
    gays by the minute, until they give up and start tolerating a much worse
    type of gay person (ever seen modern family? what a load of fuck) than
    they would have got if they just didn’t care in the first place. And as a
    bonus, they’re taking away peoples jobs and reputations on their way to
    shithole land. Two birds with one stone, right guys?

    So yeah, fuck SJWs. Most of them aren’t even gay.”

  39. Stallmanu says:

    100% this so much. I hate that I have to feel SHAME not only because I have no choice when interacting javascript software, nor do I have any choice when I SEE someone using Mozilla products, but I also have to be SHAMED by people like Bad Catalyst just because Eich is a white entitled silicon valley programmer. He gets special rules and can violate human rights just for being born a certain way. Makes sense, he wrote anti-gay JavaScript! roflmao!! I’m affraid some people understand how Eich being CEO damages people even on a psychological level. Today I saw someone using Thunderbird at starbucks and I had to do everything in my power not to fall down crying on the floor. I wanted to tell them to use chrome (but I’m an anti-social person living in an ableist world). The reality is this is how it’s going to be. We all are run by Eich’s nazi code and there is no way out.

  40. Stallmanu says:

    You sound like a back-pettaling ally. The moment you realize the plan is too hard or not-fun you claim it’s totalitarian or irrational. Obviously you only care about gay people to the extent that still lets you deploy node.js. Get back to me when you start re-engineering the internet with queer-friendly functional languages. Until then, I don’t need your support.

  41. Stallmanu says:

    Do you know understand that Eich’s javascript is used heavily on the server-side of web applications these days? Meaning there’s absolutely no plugin you can install that prevents you from using Anti-Gay server-side Programming Languages. The same with content delivery, as veryone uses CIS-Supporting JSON to carry and spread oppressive data. No, friend. Your only choice is to get off the internet. Anything less would be too soft.

  42. Sweetie says:

    NoScript is a 3rd-party add-on.

  43. Sweetie says:

    Yes, it’s always the fault of activists, not the people donating money to keep people in their place.

  44. Bad Catalyst says:

    It is inaccurate to describe this as a ‘hire’. Mozilla promoted Eich to CEO. Eich helped found mozilla in 1998 and has been CTO since 2005.
    Moreover, it would be illegal in California for the corporation to discriminate against him for his political activities or affiliations, reprehensible though they may be. Just as it’s illegal in CA to discriminate based on sexual orientation or identity.
    Hopefully the upside of all this will be extra vigilance by Eich and the Mozilla staff to ensure an equality record above reproach in practice.
    Mozilla is much more than Brandon Eich. You do a disservice to its mission to support open access to the internet and the many LGBT contributors and supporters by firing up your self-congratulatory indignation machine to boycott the entire org because it is composed of and indeed led by less-than-perfect individuals.

  45. Bad Catalyst says:

    He comments, using Javascript. You really have no idea what you’re talking about here.

  46. Swami_Binkinanda says:

    That’s totalitarian thinking. You only have to boycott enough to send a message. Just like you don’t have to drink Russian vodka or buy your knitting supplies at Hobby Lobby.
    If you want to talk real reactionary choice there is always pitchforks, torches, tar and feathering, guillotines, etc. Sure makes boycotts look like the rational, fair, and decent alternative to toddler-style all or nothing reactions.

  47. Swami_Binkinanda says:

    Yet there are several plugins for browsers that allow you to avoid loading Java and Javascript precisely because they are insecure and often result in bloat/crap/garbage infiltrating your system.
    I have uninstalled Mozilla Firefox from several devices and added Opera and Chrome just to see what the fuss is about.

  48. 2karmanot says:

    True he always politely asked for the salt and pepper.

  49. 2karmanot says:

    “cissest programming languages on MY computer.” Bye, bye

  50. Stev84 says:

    Blarg. You have to get into esoteric programming languages or something like APL to find code that is more write-only than PHP

  51. I’ve been using SeaMonkey, it’s an open-source version of Mozilla Firefox, and works with many of the add-ons for it. It auto-updates, rarely crashed, and is available for Linux and some Apple products(except the iPad) as well as Windoze machines.

  52. Stev84 says:

    It’s a free product, so me switching to another won’t change a thing. They won’t lose anymore if I switched. And yes, everyday usability is more important than a purely symbolic gesture.

  53. dcinsider says:

    OK, so I won’t buy THAT car again! Or is that the wine?

  54. David Gerard says:

    At least it wasn’t PHP.

  55. annatopia says:

    HAHAH! you beat me to that comment…. javascript SUCKS.

  56. HeartlandLiberal says:

    I believe the option to set enable.javascript was moved to about:config settings. You can still use NoScript which disables javascript by default, and you then choose on a page by page / url by url basis to trust / enable javascript. It can be a pain in the kister given how many urls are now loaded down on many sites, e.g. AmericaBlog, with over 40 references to different domains embedded in a single page. But the important thing is you never hit a page unprotected because you have javascript disabled by default by NoScript. Then you can choose to trust or not.

  57. Stallmanu says:

    Javascript is everywhere. If you really think that client-side is the only time you interact with javascript you are fairly naive in the the way modern web applications work. These days, no matter what you do, you are probably interacting with services that rely on gay-bashing javascript via json or some angular-like thing. The only real reactionary choice is to throw the baby out with the bath water and quit the internet.

  58. lynchie says:

    Well they know that women just aren’t equipped mentally to be able to make decisions without getting hubby’s approval.

  59. Stallmanu says:

    I’m not going to just stop at Firefox. I’m going to stop using any browser. That’s right. I’m getting off the internet. Because pretty much every website is loaded with anti-gay JavaScript. I’m gonna show this gay-bashing programmer that I don’t tolerate cissest programming languages on MY computer. I wont get back on the internet again until everything is re-engineered on a fundamental level. After all, it’s 2014 and there is no difference between professional lives and personal opinions. Anyone who disagrees with what I do privately is obviously an unskilled piece of cis scum. Mozilla is open source software that has contributed absolutely nothing but hate and oppression worldwide. The Tor browser is terrible, obviously, because it’s based on CISzilla software.

  60. goulo says:

    In fairness, there are more serious genuinely bad things which Google has done. For almost every large organization, it’s possible to find some bad thing, alas.

  61. Sweetie says:

    Midori is just another Webkit browser. Webkit has been dominated by Google and Apple for quite some time. Originally it was an open source Linux browser. Then Apple got into it and developed it into Safari. Then Google got into it and developed it into Chrome. Now, even Opera is Webkit.

  62. Sweetie says:

    “A reminder of Brendan’s personal choices years ago is unfair and violates the core values of the Mozilla community.”

    hahahahahahahahaha… not

  63. Sweetie says:

    Opera dropped its own rendering engine, Presto, for Webkit. Webkit is run mainly by Google and Apple now.

    So, the Opera browser is now just a different UI for Webkit, pretty much.

  64. Sweetie says:

    The latest version of Firefox won’t let you turn off Javascript anymore. I guess we now know why.

  65. Silver_Witch says:

    I guess having someone to be beneath you must be so empowering that they simply can’t let us be their equals.

  66. Silver_Witch says:

    Oh man – I had forgotten most of those terms and about Fidonet! I wish my extraordinarily high bill had been due to a cat – it was all me and my Manic Fingers typing and playing. It was so very long ago and who even knew we were on the “cutting edge” of a whole new world.

    And actually for all the dis that MaBell used to get – she was pretty cool when you weren’t pinging her to get free long distance calls.

  67. onemillionyearsdungeon says:

    Time to try out this Midori browser I keep hearing about, and SRWare Iron too.

  68. Dameocrat says:

    If you use chrome or opera version of noscript called noscripts you have to save all cookies to disable javascript.

  69. Tone says:

    In the USA money is speech… Ask Citizens United.

  70. Shyra says:

    Hea, Silver Witch… nice to “meet” someone from back in the “old days” of Fidonet, PODSnet, etc” I built my own system (h/w @ s/w, ) myself, too. Running RemoteAccess BBS and DB. I think the batch file printout of the whole system was like 10″ thick! (LOL)

    One month when I had an extraordinary phone bill was the month where I’d forgotten to turn on the catguard on ProComm. My beautiful black cat decided to let his paws do the talking and called Japan. Those were the days when MaBell was actually understanding and worked with you. They completed deleted the charges from my bill (thanks goodness!).

  71. lynchie says:

    The rights of women are being attacked by religion. The men who populate the priests and heiarchy want women under their control. They want to chose when you will get pregnant, what clothes you wear, how you cook and clean in short they want to go back to the age when women were property and our congress is populated by a whole gaggle of these same assholes.

  72. Drew2u says:

    On a tangential note, I found how this article ended very enlightening:
    How We Won the War on Dungeons & Dragons
    “When D&D types win a war like this, however, they don’t try to erase
    the perspective of the enemies who once threatened them. They have too
    much respect for the source material. In the 1980s, angry mobs of
    parents burned their kids’ D&D books. Those kids, now grown up,
    digitize and annotate the pamphlets that once condemned them.”

  73. Bookbinder says:

    And what browser will you use. Is there one not connected to Google, whom I hate also.

  74. Bookbinder says:

    Actions are supposed to have consequences. It’s called accountability.

  75. kurtsteinbach says:

    And Jeffrey Dahmer was a “nice” killer? He was “one of the quiet ones.” He was a polite cannibal, wasn’t he….

  76. Canon says:

    I agree with many others, Mozilla Firefox is going out of my computer, I cannot support a company that thinks I am sick and cannot marry the person I love, bye bye Mozilla, I won’t come back to you.

  77. Julien Pierre says:

    This is troubling to say the least.

    As a long-time (14-year) LGBT contributor to Mozilla code, I was surprised. I have never met Brendan Eich as I worked for other companies contributing open-source code to Mozilla. I wasn’t aware of his views. Apparently the contribution was discovered years ago, long before he was CEO.

    I donated the same $1000 to “No on 8” that Brendan did to “Yes on 8”. Prop 8 hurt me lot when it passed, as it did many other LGBT Californians, some of which were Brendan’s Mozilla coworkers . While there is no evidence of discrimination at Mozilla, it is still troubling to see a tech CEO holding these opinions.

    I found that Brendan Eich did make a new statement on his blog at :

    It’s a much better one than the one he put out 2 years ago.

    There is not a word about his past support for Prop 8, though, and whether he has changed his mind about the issue since then or not.

  78. HKDaniel says:

    Yup, firefox is still on my computer and tablet, but they are rarely used – too slow, too buggy, so, it’s not like I’ll miss it.
    Firefox/Mozilla was a great idea that has been spiraling downwards for years and if this is the best they can come up with in a search for corporate leadership it just goes to show you what an unpopular place it is career-wise.
    But still – supporting prejudice and hate is supporting freedom???
    Dynamite brain-trust they have working there. Laughable.

  79. jamesnimmo says:

    That’s it Mozzila is coming off my laptop.

  80. BeccaM says:

    Which they’re no longer supporting for future releases.

    I had to go back to Outlook. It’s what nearly all of my clients expect, in terms of calendar integration and whatnot.

  81. BeccaM says:

    I’m a terrible Catch-22.

    Only Firefox has descent javascript-disabling controls through the add-on NoScript. (I looked at Opera and what few script disabling tools it has are AWFUL. The built-in function is basically unusable, because it takes a half dozen clicks, windows, and selections to re-enable javascript where necessary.)

  82. Silver_Witch says:

    MUDs was the form…wasn’t it?

  83. Silver_Witch says:

    I am totally totally there with you – first I often forget what exactly happened in the 80’s for a bunch of reasons…age is a good excuse though eh?

    I used to D&D and I also participated in a Pagan Coffeehouse which was quite risque at the time. I wish I could remember all the “code” we had to type to enter a text – not as simple as today for sure.

  84. I use Chrome. I like it.

  85. Yeah, it depends how you count it. I was “on” the Internet, in a sense, in 1980 or so while visiting the University of Illinois. I forget what the system was called now (i’m getting old), but we were basically playing some D&D type game, very rudimentary interface, and chatting at the bottom of the screen with some kid in either Israel or South Africa. Totally blew my mind that we were chatting (text chatting) across the world.

  86. Monophylos Fortikos says:

    A homophobic bigot *and* he created Javascript? We’ve got a strong candidate here for worst human being.

  87. Silver_Witch says:

    Well it depends if you count the BBS system as the beginnings of the Internet, in which case it started in the late 70’s and was quite active throughout the 80’s. I like to think of BBS as the baby internet…I was running a “server” at the time – hooking up through dial-up. One month my phone bill was over $500…which in those days was a ton of money.

  88. Silver_Witch says:

    Totally true Nicho….so he has run the company the entire time with the same beliefs he has now.

  89. Silver_Witch says:

    Agreed Lynchie…sadly it is a long time to change attitudes…geezzee women have been free a very long time (if we just use the right to vote in the 20’s) and still they are trying to force birth on us, silence us in discussion and force us into subjugation. Weird how it never changes…never.

  90. lynchie says:

    But too many retain their racist attitudes and what troubles me is that these same people feel free to make dog whistle comments (Rand, Ryan, etc.) and than apologize by saying sorry if I offended anyone. Mozilla has made a big mistake and I don’t see this homophobe changing his spots because it happened in the past.

  91. Brandon McCarthy says:

    I love how when he’s boowooing in his letter, he claims he’s been online for almost 30 years…Really? So you have been with the Internet from basically the beginning. Funny how it is only speculated that the Internet started around the early to mid-80’s, but most only really celebrated it when it became more well known in 1989. Going by that logic, you must be rounding up, I’m 32 therefore I must be be 40.

  92. Silver_Witch says:

    It is sad that such a smart person could come down on the wrong side of history. I wonder how many people will feel the same shame 20 years from now…like they did for their racial hatred (that they thought was so right).

  93. PeteWa says:

    I’ve got to say it: Brendan’s got some serious gay face going on.

  94. cole3244 says:

    i have an imac any suggestions on where i can go to change browsers?

  95. BeccaM says:

    Unfortunately I can’t drop Firefox easily and I just remembered I hate Opera’s minimalist UI and relative paucity of add-ons.

  96. nicho says:

    They may have named him CEO, but I don’t think they really “hired” him. He did found the company, after all, and has held other C-level jobs.

  97. nicho says:


  98. rerutled says:

    Their leader supports — with money — the dissolution of the legal rights of our families. You’re worried about “tabs on top”.

    Maybe you should go into greater detail about what “tabs on top” permits, so that I can compare it to being excluded from the hospital room as your husband lays dying; needing a note from your wife to pick up your child from school, because you’re not a legal parent; being unable to make medical decisions for your daughter as she is rushed to the hospital after a car accident; inheriting spouse’s property in the absence of a will, and to do so without taxes.

    “Tabs on top” must be pretty cool, to be more important than that stuff.

  99. Stev84 says:

    The problem with Chrome is tabs on top :(

    At least Firefox lets you change that stupid “feature”. I haven’t found a way to change it in Chrome

  100. Stev84 says:

    I find it very stable. For me the main downside is that it uses a lot of memory even when not doing anything

  101. Naja pallida says:

    And you pay for it… 40k for a fully loaded Volkswagen Routan. With zero difference in performance, and VW offering about half the options. I was looking at new minivans for my company a couple years ago, and looked at both of them. They’re both ugly as sin, but what do you want for a minivan. :)

  102. goulo says:

    Possibly the fault of plugins rather than the browser itself? I find it to be quite stable. I use only a few plugins.

  103. emjayay says:

    Actually, only the front and rear ends of the body are VW. The whole middle is Chrysler. They did manage to turn a pig’s ear into a polyester purse though.

  104. Dameocrat says:

    They just released their very last presto based Opera. It ought to be pretty secure for a year or two maybe longer since noone will create viruses for something few people use.

    The truth is there are no good options here. Everything will use either trident or chrome, and they are both made by exploitive companies. Not to mention the fact that it is not good to have not have many browser engines. It makes everyone more vulnerable to viruses. It would be sad to lose presto owing to corporate greed,and gecko owning to silicon valley teabagger tendency.

  105. Wildeye says:

    It rather stops being a solely individual belief when you publicly support causes that materially affects others. If Eich wanted to keep his personal views private then he should have kept them to himself. If money is speech then money has consequences.

  106. Naja pallida says:

    Going through the extensive list of web browsers on Wikipedia, I can’t really see a good alternative choice if you’re intent on avoiding Microsoft, Mozilla, Apple and Google entirely. There’s a few smaller ones, but many haven’t been updated in years and are probably horribly insecure. There’s a couple options for Linux users, like KDE. In the end, it’s yet another pick what you think is the lesser of the evils.

  107. AnthonyLook says:

    Browser deleted and replaced. Thank you.

  108. jomicur says:

    Yeah, I kind of figured that much our way back when, when I tried the Avant Browser (I think it was called) and realized it was just IE in fancy dress. It’s all the details that are beyond me. A friend of mine says my tech ignorance is willful, and I admit it probably is. I am a bear of very little brain. ;-)

  109. Naja pallida says:

    Think of it like, say, the Volkswagen Routan minivan. All the mechanicals and chassis of the vehicle are made by Dodge, but Volkswagen took that, and built their own body and their own interior, and badged it to be their own car. :)

  110. jomicur says:

    My non-techie head is spinning (as it always does when the more technical aspects of the web come up). But I do appreciate the info.

  111. AndyinChicago says:

    So in the end, there’s no good choice? That’s the way things are, I guess. It just sucks to have to choose between American workers and LGBT rights. It’s kinda sad that this choice is becoming so common in my life. The only made in America running shoes I can find are New Balance, which has a similar anti-gay CEO, but at least it’s not sweat shops. I’m never sure what the right choice is here.

  112. Now I don’t feel bad for switching to Chrome a few months ago. Mozilla had gotten too slow and buggy and now this. uggg

  113. Drew2u says:

    Awesome non-monopolistic free-market capitalism we have, rite?

  114. Naja pallida says:

    Most of the smaller browsers use engines from the big three. SlimBrowser uses the Trident engine from Microsoft, the same core engine used in Internet Explorer. Same with Camino, which uses Mozilla’s Gecko engine.

    Edit: Actually, Opera uses the Blink engine, from Google. So, you’re really stuck with one of the big three no matter what you do. :)

  115. 2karmanot says:

    No, really, honestly, Eich is one of the nice Nazis.

  116. Primogen1 says:

    I stopped using firefox on my home computer because it became a nightmare to deal with all the crashes. However, I have it on my work computer but I don’t have to use it as a browser. I use Opera at home so I just download it on my work computer and use it here. Simples!!! Buh bye, firefox. It’s been emotional.

  117. BeccaM says:

    The top question will be whether Opera supports the FF extensions I’ve been using or offers similar functionality.

    I’ve been tiring of FF’s crashing lately, too… It’s been turning into bloatware

  118. DearEllody says:

    I knew Firefox sucked for a reason…

  119. jomicur says:

    I’ve used Opera in the past. It has never struck me as particularly flexible/customizable, but it’s certainly more than usable. There are one or two less-well-known browsers around, too (such as SlimBrowser), and I’m going to start exploring them. But I have a suspicion I’ll end up just going with Opera.

  120. mikeyDe says:

    Another reason to turn off javascript!

  121. Naja pallida says:

    If you want to avoid the big three, about all you’re left with is Opera.

  122. dcinsider says:

    I’d say wage-fixing is the lesser of the two evils. Bigotry trumps it all.

  123. Scott says:

    Cite an instance where you displayed hatred? How about writing a check to financially support PropHate.

  124. dcinsider says:

    “Doing good is part of our code.”


  125. dcinsider says:

    To comment on their Twitter feed go here.

  126. Richard says:

    That’s a good question, what’s left to use?

  127. AndyinChicago says:

    I’m starting to make the shift away from Firefox on my computers, but I feel I just read yesterday on this site about Apple and Google (And to an extent Microsoft) are screwing over workers ( ). So if we can’t use Firefox, and we’re not supposed to use Safari or Chrome or even Internet Explorer, what’s left? Which is the least evil?

  128. dcinsider says:

    What else does Mozilla do other than Firefox? I’d like to know what I’m boycotting.

  129. And it’s always grabbing updates to the various extensions I add – Chrome never does. And then, to add the icing on the cake, why must Firefox always open a tab dedicated to the company whose extension, or plug in, I just updated? I honestly stopped using them for a number of reasons years ago, including the memory hog issue. And the stupid tabs opening up. And having to update every freaking time I open it. Enough.

  130. Will says:

    Firefox turned to crap last year anyway, constantly crashing.

  131. pappyvet says:

    “We, as a community, cannot promote openness and freedom of choice without a deep respect for individual beliefs.”
    Really? Which ones?

  132. rerutled says:

    Goddammit. Chrome it is, then.

    “Diversity” to most people means “live and let live”. “Diversity” to bigots means not protesting their oppression of us.

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