Oath Keepers are congregating in Rowan County, Kentucky to keep Kim Davis from getting arrested again

Kim Davis is out of jail, for now. The Rowan County, Kentucky Clerk is set to go back to work on Monday, under strict orders from Judge David Bunning that if she interferes with her deputies issuing marriage licenses, she will face another round of contempt charges. Her lawyers have indicated that not only does she intend to do just that, they don’t consider the licenses that have been issued without her name on them to be valid in the first place.

So barring some kind of intervention, Kim Davis is probably on her way back to jail.

Enter The Oath Keepers.

That’s right: The same armed militia that had an armed standoff with the Bureau of Land Management at Cliven Bundy’s ranch, stationed armed guards outside of military recruitment centers following the Chattanooga shooting and posted up in Ferguson, Missouri carrying assault rifles during the most recent round of protests there has volunteered to serve as Kim Davis’s personal protection detail.

From Right Wing Watch:

Oathkeepers founder Stewart Rhodes, via Gage Skidmore / Flickr

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, via Gage Skidmore / Flickr

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes announced yesterday that he had reached out to Davis’ lawyers at Liberty Counsel to offer the protection of his group, which he says is already forming a presence in Rowan County, Kentucky, where Davis was recently released from jail after prohibiting her office from issuing marriage licenses. Rhodes said in a statement that his position has nothing to do with gay marriage, but rather his conviction that Davis had been illegally detained by the federal judge who held her in contempt for violating multiple court orders.

Right, this has nothing to do with gay marriage. It just has everything to do with the government following normal procedures when someone is held in contempt for violating a federal court orders. They’re not bigots, they’re just willing to forcibly resist the arrest of someone going to jail for being illegally bigoted.

And don’t get them wrong, the only reason they’re providing Davis with armed protection is because local law enforcement hasn’t stepped up to the plate. If only Rowan County’s sheriff had a more appropriate understanding of his responsibilities as a public official, he’d have prevented Davis from going to jail the first time. While they’re in Kentucky, they’ll make sure he knows better for future reference:

Peyman suggested that he meet with the Rowan County sheriff to “educate him” on his responsibility to block the actions of the federal courts, but in the meantime, Rhodes said, “our guys are already there and more coming” and they are ready to “lead by example” by preventing Davis from being arrested again.

If we thought this past week or two in Rowan County was interesting, we might not have seen anything yet.

Jon Green graduated from Kenyon College with a B.A. in Political Science and high honors in Political Cognition. He worked as a field organizer for Congressman Tom Perriello in 2010 and a Regional Field Director for President Obama's re-election campaign in 2012. Jon writes on a number of topics, but pays especially close attention to elections, religion and political cognition. Follow him on Twitter at @_Jon_Green, and on Google+. .

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112 Responses to “Oath Keepers are congregating in Rowan County, Kentucky to keep Kim Davis from getting arrested again”

  1. angryspittle says:

    No it doesn’t. It is federal land. You obviously believe bullshit.

  2. Helen Thomas says:

    I have. The Constitution trumps all other documents. The land in question belongs to Nevada. I also don’t regard our Constitution as “god-damned.”

  3. erin805 says:

    You must be listening to the pretend “Patriots/Militia” who seem to think they are constitutional scholars. You cited the wrong section of the US Constitution (law of the land). Please refer to Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2 – Property Clause. That’s the section that applies. Here’s a reference from the (Conservative) Heritage Foundation:


    Ever been to a “national park”? – i.e., Grand Canyon. Federal PUBLIC LAND managed by federal agencies.

    Also, check the Nevada State Constitution (it’s online). It clearly states that the unoccupied land (over 80%) of Nevada was turned over to the federal government ever since Nevada became a state in 1864 – 15 years before Bundy stated in public that his “Morman ancestors” arrived from Utah. Bundy wasn’t even born in Nevada. He only owns the property his parents bought in 1948 (Nevada property records) – 160 acre melon farm and cattle ranch. Bundy is a “sovereign citizen” who has stated multiple times “he doesn’t believe in the EXISTENCE of the federal government.” Ironic – right – since he was filmed riding his horse, waving a big American flag, w/ a copy of our US Constitution sticking out of his shirt pocket. He doesn’t even have the support of the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association. Other ranchers in the West pay their grazing fees.

    Bundy might want to be careful what he wishes for. The grazing fees are heavily subsidized by the federal government. ($1.35/month per cattle unit vs. an average $16-17/month on private property)

    Ignorance is a bitch.

  4. Ronnie Lovecountry Hugh says:

    Yes,I am still waiting for a lock up in Kentucky…….‪#‎LockKimDavisUp‬

  5. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    You’re obviously wrong about the land. Do you also believe that he isn’t racist?

    Who the hell do you think was going to murder him?

  6. angryspittle says:

    You are obviously an idiot. When the territory of Utah was incorporated into the union with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo of 1848 all of the land was federal. Read the goddamn constitution of the US as well as the constitution of Nevada.

  7. Helen Thomas says:

    According to Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, the federal government can purchase land from the states for “needful buildings.” There is NO other provision. The federal government has NO authority to own millions of acres of wilderness upon which they have built nothing. They do NOT own 86% of Nevada land, they STOLE it and have no more legal title to it than I do.

  8. angryspittle says:

    The Federal government owns 86% of Nevada land and has since the territory was incorporated into the US. Point out exactly where the constitution says otherwise. I am a native Nevadan and have know that forever. I suppose you also think Obama caused the devastation of N.O. after Katrina and Ruby Ridge too?

  9. Helen Thomas says:

    No, they don’t own it. Read your country’s constitution. And I suppose eliminating the witnesses at the Branch Davidian compound was an accident, right? My husband just didn’t want the Bundy family to meet with a similar federal accident.

  10. angryspittle says:

    The federal government does, indeed, own that land and has since these territories were incorporated into the US. And nobody was out to murder that idiot Bundy but to simply enforce the damn law.

  11. Helen Thomas says:

    My husband was protecting Mr. Bundy’s right not to be murdered. The federal government doesn’t own the land that they were demanding grazing fees for.

  12. Helen Thomas says:

    No, actually he’s a highly intelligent man.

  13. Anthony Sailas says:

    let me put it this way since we seem to have a lawyer forum .why did we break away from British was it cause we wanted to get a goverment to make us pay taxes !why was the constitution set up so the government would and could do as they feel. if this was a ballot issue id say lets vote and live with the outcome is that not democracy but to have this shit pushed through by a small amount!!! just cause these politicians make laws that are not constitutional and buy judges , and if you say we voted them in bullshit they were pushed on us every single one.so you fags shove it up your ass you love it and lezziez lick the carpet but your breath smells like dirty carp . peace

  14. angryspittle says:

    Well, your husband is a goddamned idiot then. And apparently so are you.

  15. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Can we start with hating the laws of the United States? Bundy was breaking the law by using land without paying for it. Apparently, your husband was protecting Bundy’s right to not follow the laws.

  16. Helen Thomas says:

    Haters? What makes them haters? My husband went to the Bundy Ranch and served on the detail to protect the Bundy family. Point out to me who he was hating.

  17. Don Byham says:

    I would love to see the police do their job and give out some obstruction arrests. If need be engage SWAT or the National Guard. But it is soo much easier to pepper spray harmless protesters than to repel blatant law breakers with real weapons.

  18. Midge Baker says:

    I honor you for standing by your husband, and I’d like to believe you. But…

    Oath Keepers: Potentially The Most Lethal And Dangerous Of All The New ‘Patriot’ Groups


    These haters were also involved at the Bundy Ranch standoff, and were also in Ferguson.

  19. TheOriginalLiz says:

    But they’re white, christian terrorists – so it’s okay

  20. Moderator4 says:

    And yet, I am not aware that any of the complainers have contacted Jon and volunteered to become a Moderator……….

  21. Moderator3 says:

    I have a life. I don’t spend all of my time online. Spouses frown on that. Since I have been so slack in doing my work, the powers that be may cut my salary in half. Of course, half of zero is still zero.

  22. Butch1 says:

    Not bad, though it’s going to take a lot of retraining to get these officers of the law NOT to use their favorite chestnut: “I was afraid for my life, so I . . . .” ;-)

  23. ComradeRutherford says:

    I’ve been wondering about how to deal with them. I think the best bet is to have 1000 TV cameras there, and to make sure NOT ONE police/sheriff/marshal ever touches their weapons no matter what provocation they face. Let the video evidence reflect that it’s the OafKreepers that are the provocateurs in every instance. And have the police forces NOT stop in their duty. March right up and start placing handcuffs on them. If there is any gunfire, it will be on video that it was these terrorists that were the ONLY ones shooting the sacred police forces. Then arrest them all on terrorism charges. You can carry weapons under the 2nd Amendment, but you can’t use them like this.

  24. Jim Olson says:

    Three. Really, is noone paying attention to this? Moderator?

  25. Jim Olson says:

    Davis has gotten all sorts of special treatment in this one. Your assertion is true: people usually go to jail while the appeal is underway. I can’t find the article now, but I read a good assessment of all the special treatment Davis has gotten.

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  27. Butch1 says:

    In the South that is pronounced, ” Y’all ” University ;-)

  28. Butch1 says:

    This is exactly how they should be described the minute they step out of like and actually impede any law enforcement officer from arresting her. If she is summoned to meet in the courtroom and refuses to appear she will be arrested. If they get in the way of any officer doing his duty to arrest her, there WILL be trouble; guaranteed. They want to pull out their weapons and threaten anyone? All the more charges against them. They will be shot if they do not drop them, raise their hands and surrender to law enforcement. No question. They do not play around with these religious fanatic terrorists.

  29. Don Chandler says:

    When ever I look at that picture of Stewart Rhodes, I see Vitaly Milonov of the US–same kind of mind.

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  31. Davey says:

    bull. They’re all torn from the same ugly white sheet.

  32. judybrowni says:

    Gawd,you’re an idiot.

  33. judybrowni says:

    Uh huh.

  34. scribblegenie says:

    Lock her in, throw away the key.

  35. scribblegenie says:

    In Iran, they call women like her a “two burka.”

  36. scribblegenie says:

    A gay brain. Irony.

  37. BeccaM says:

    Let’s just say that if or when Davis is re-arrested and jailed on contempt-of-court charges next week, there’s not a court in America to which she can appeal which would order Bunning to order her release.

  38. FLL says:

    Kim Davis expounds on her philosophy of public service:

  39. FLL says:

    Sometime before the Kentucky legislature convenes in January…

  40. ComradeRutherford says:

    Heavily armed domestic terrorists.

  41. FLL says:

    I don’t think a federal judge is stripped of his authority to impose sanctions because the person in question has filed an appeal. Isn’t it common for a judge to jail someone, and meanwhile the person’s lawyer files an appeal while the person is still in jail?

  42. Tom Chicago says:

    Cooking up an extravaganza of Stupid + Guns.

  43. BeccaM says:

    Meanwhile, Davis and her Liberty (sic) Counsel attorneys have filed their latest frivolous appeal with the 6th Circuit.

    Her lawyers filed a petition Friday with the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals asking the court to halt an order by a district judge requiring that marriage licenses be issued to all couples seeking them, Buzzfeed reported.


    Their claim? That Bunning improperly expanded his order to include ALL couples, not just the four who’d filed the initial complaints against Davis and her office.

    It should be obvious where this is going. They filed the petition with the 6th today, Friday, so that come Monday when Little Miss Bigot goes back to work, she will once again order her office to stop processing all marriage license applications and registrations. The reason cited will be ‘until her appeal is considered’ — despite the lack of any legal authority to make this declaration or take this action. And then when the 6th kicks it back as denied, as they inevitably will, Davis’ attorneys will try to take it yet again to the Supreme Court.

    Personally, I think Bunning should just have Davis hauled off to jail for violating the contempt of court provisions and initiate Section 11 (legal malpractice) sanctions against her attorneys.

  44. Don Chandler says:

    When will their mule train arrive?

  45. Helen Thomas says:

    Let me assure you that Stewart Rhodes is not speaking for the majority of Oathkeepers on this. My husband is an Oathkeeper (retired police lieutenant) and he is appalled by this. The Oathkeepers blog right now is full of members trying to talk Rhodes out of this lunacy.

    The mission of the Oathkeepers is to refuse to obey unlawful orders to violate the civil rights of citizens. Confrontation with law enforcement officials serving legal processes from a court is NOT part of the Oathkeeper mission.

  46. Don Chandler says:

    And for the way she dresses.

  47. Don Chandler says:

    She is a symbol of sedition if she goes to her office with the OathBreakers.

  48. Don Chandler says:

    If she is going to do her job, she’ll have to get past the US marshalls at the door to her office…or the Sheriff’s department. No reason to let her through the door with a a lawless armed entourage.

  49. FLL says:

    …and for drinks, bourbon and Dr Pepper cocktails.

  50. Glen Thompson says:

    Is it Monday yet? Got extra gin and olives, could be a humdinger.

  51. Debbie says:

    I’ll bet Kimmie is enjoying all the male attention she is getting. I just saw online that the Oath Keepers are headed to Kentucky to protect her. Such lunacy….

  52. keirmeister says:

    Hmmm….Oath Keepers: threatening violence for a political cause.

    Technically, that makes them terrorists. Just sayin’.

  53. keirmeister says:

    I just visited the Oath Keepers website. Apparently their mission is to:

    “‘Defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.’ That oath, mandated by Article I of the Constitution itself, is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and Oath Keepers declare that they will not obey unconstitutional orders…”

    Which is kinda funny, since by “protecting” Kim Davis, they are actually defending a politician who is violating the Constitution.

  54. BobbyG says:

    OafKeepers is sending a Special Forces Regiment from Camp Bundy. http://BundysWorld.blogspot.com

  55. Ol' Hippy says:

    Since when does peaceful assembly turn in to a magnet for thug anarchists? Where is the security for the peaceful LGBT protesters. This is also the state that has a “creationist’s museum”, so I guess it attracts the real loonies from the far right. It seems like the far right “extremists” are sliding more and more toward the abyss to oblivion over the cliff. I just hope they don’t take the whole country with them or we’ll all be in real trouble.

  56. 2karmanot says:

    It seems as if just anybody can go to Yale these days.

  57. 2karmanot says:

    Considering the location I think Cheetos might be in order.

  58. 2karmanot says:

    So, the armed Oats Creepers are usurping the law, AGAIN. When are private militias/gangs going to be declared terrorist organizations and dealt with by Homeland Security? Where the hell is Janet Reno when we need her?

  59. therling says:

    So which is it? Is the Rowan County sheriff a “jackbooted government thug” or one of “our brave boys in blue who can do no wrong?” Stay tuned.

  60. Butch1 says:

    Yes, he, as well as Cruz are opportunists who found a new rallying cry to beat to death. They are using Ms. Davis for all she’s worth. Once this merry-go-round slows down they will look for another to latch on to. Both are “one-trick ponies.”

  61. Butch1 says:

    The Supreme Court interprets disputed “law” cases. (Constitutional Law cases) When they make a decision as the highest court in the land, it is the final decision. It’s not “two out of three” or “pretty please” or “it’s not fair” or “I think god’s law is higher than that court’s law” etc. This court has the final say.

    If the Congress wants to change a law later, let them. If they want to change the Constitution (let them) Though this is not just done on a political whim.

    We are speaking of Equal Rights for a group of citizens to marry. A certain fundamental group of christians think that gays should not and they think gays should crawl back under the rocks where “they” think they came from. Gays think that is where those same fundies originated as well. We do not discriminate and we do not let religion tell government what to do even though they think this country was “founded upon christianity, which it was not!

    So, the marriage decision has already been decided and these people are breaking the law if they impede or stop any couple from applying for a marriage license. If Ms. Davis goes back to her game of practicing her religion in the government and expecting others to have to follow it as well by denying them their licenses, then she will be violating her parole and will be right back in jail for breaking her warning from the Judge where she belongs for Contempt of Court.

  62. Butch1 says:

    The only thing that saved him is the fact that he’s rich.

  63. Butch1 says:

    I think “loving christians” has become an oxymoron.

  64. Butch1 says:

    Isn’t it ironic that the “Oathkeepers” have come to keep her from keeping her oath to do her job in the state of Kentucky? ;-)

  65. Butch1 says:

    They all have “law degrees” to be able to tell whether or not the Judge “over-stepped” his bounds by issuing a Contempt of Court issuance upon her arse, which he was well within his authority for her tantrum of ” not gonna do it” attitude defiance. What else was he supposed to do to her, give her a public spanking? ” You have been a naughty, naughty girl, Kim, therefore, you will receive thirty lashes on your rump for your behavior and you will clean the streets for two weeks.”

    This is not Iran, ISIS or Afghanistan and if it were she would have been stoned by now for adultery! She should be lucky she doesn’t live under a Theocracy. That is really what she wants, but she should be very careful of that. Women are silent in those cultures and she has said too much already. She wouldn’t have that job either.

  66. Butch1 says:

    Bush is one of them. His untreated dry-drunk alcoholism problem plus being a coke-head for all those years did not help. Who knows if he received treatment for that.

  67. Butch1 says:

    She needs a brain transplant.

  68. Butch1 says:

    What it proves is that oath taking doesn’t mean anything in this country anymore. At least to right-wing fundamentalist christians when the courts do not rule in their favor.

  69. Butch1 says:

    One of these fools will have a “medical event” trying to block marriage applicants from entering the building to apply for a licence and promptly get arrested by the law. That will take care of them and then it will be business as usual unless Ms. Davis or her spawn tries to create some mischief. Then, she will be visiting the jailhouse right after them to keep them company. These rebellious law breakers will not be able to continue to get away with breaking the law without consequences.

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  72. Glen Thompson says:

    Well, that all “Depends”. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

  73. GarySFBCN says:

    Their tantrum with BLM should have had them all in prison for at least 10 years. But nothing happened, so they are emboldened.

  74. DoverBill says:

    Exactly what oath should I swear to in order to become one of these fine, fine patriots?

    I have been searching the Internet tubes to no avail.

    Can a southerner help out a brother here?

  75. Marla R. Stevens says:

    I understand and commiserate!

  76. Marla R. Stevens says:

    It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with het privilege. She was a Christian — a Baptist born again — before heading over to badly-in-need-of-a-makeover land. She also started planning for this while she was running for clerk and joined the Liberty/FRC strategic plan to nullify the Obergefell decision, fomenting a religious coup on our judicial system, before she was sworn in. It has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus — that’s just a convenient smokescreen.

  77. scribblegenie says:

    I can’t even wrap my head around it.

  78. scribblegenie says:

    Frightening. And over what. She’s now holier than thou since she turned christian. Where’s Jesus’ love, forgiveness, caring, support? No where to be found.

    Huckabee, just as slimy because he won’t support the Muslim woman who likely has a discrimination case.Where is Jesus’ love, forgiveness, caring, support? No where to be found.

    They’re all slimeballs.

  79. Marla R. Stevens says:

    I think the real reason they’re going there is to intimidate LGBT out of exercising their right to get a marriage license, thus preventing the situation where Kimmie would again violate the order. There’s also the issue that there are a limited number of people in the area who want a license in the first place, and fewer who would want to cloud that experience with Kimmie Hate, and now, even fewer who would want to run a gauntlet of haters, many with automatic weapons.
    It must be remembered, though, that
    1) there’s no requirement that you have to USE a license you get, which could bump the size of the pool of the willing up and
    2) there’s no requirement that you have to use the armed as your honor guard or invite them to the reception.

  80. scribblegenie says:

    I am assuming the LGBTQA protesters have every reason to be afraid of these thugs, the Oathkeepers and many of the other CINOs. Oathkeepers showed up at Ferguson and the police chief told them to leave. Now I’m very concerned for the other county employees if Davis, as her attornery has said, continues to break the law. I could give a rat’s patoot about her anymore. She created this awful, awful mess. Lock her up throw away the key. I hope there will be no violence, but if anyone is seriously hurt or dies, she is responsible as if she pulled the trigger herself.

  81. Marla R. Stevens says:

    You’d better hope they’re diapered (they’re old enough to be) because, if something goes down, their pants (and the pretty courthouse plaza) are gonna get very, very messy.

  82. Marla R. Stevens says:

    First they came for the guns, and the kids and movie goers and prayer groups and domestic violence victims, and suicidal all got safer.
    (The stats bear me out, too.)

  83. Marla R. Stevens says:

    They’re at least trying…and the sad thing is that they’ve frightened off the local LGBTQA protestors who had so loyally shown up day after day. They say that it’s gotten just too dangerous.

  84. Marla R. Stevens says:

    Rhodes is a Yalie — Law grad somewhere around 2004, if memory serves. He knows that 18 U.S. Code § 401 (3) – Power of court applies and that there was no right to a jury trial as there was no matter of fact to try. He’s just posturing for his less well-informed base. I will have popcorn and drinks ready but I’d be surprised if there’s going to be much occasion for them. The Marshals are very well disciplined and these clowns, if past is prologue, are the type to look to everyone else but themselves to lead anything. If even one of them tries anything, he’ll be down and cuffed so fast it would be hard to see and hauled off to face felony assault on a federal law enforcement officer.

  85. Marla R. Stevens says:

    I’m not sure the FBI is capable of recognizing the breed — but these yahoos seem more to be the types who pose more shoot-themselves-in-the-foot danger than anything else. They announce where they’re going to be when, with their troop strength — then actually show up at their appointed place and time! Perhaps the FBI has a category they don’t advertise: Too Stupid To Be Terrorists.

  86. scribblegenie says:

    She desperately needs the Queer Eye guys. Irony.

  87. scribblegenie says:

    Diapered 2 year olds with guns

  88. scribblegenie says:

    Prophetic, I’m certain.

  89. scribblegenie says:

    I feel so bad for the people who work in that building and have nothing to do with this mess. Oathkeepers have unleashed Xtian sharia law. Bigoted, ugly, unlawful.

  90. DestroyIsraelNow says:

    Destroy the ZOG now! Down with Faggot Fascism and Zionism!

  91. TheAngryFag says:

    Another right-wing, home-grown terrorist organization that Bush let prosper.

  92. Bill_Perdue says:

    Those are some of the attributes of racsim, but violence in the central one.

  93. FLL says:

    Here is an excerpt from an article today in Raw Story (link here):

    In a press release published on their website, the group says they have been in contact with Davis’ attorney, Mat Staver, and are acting because Judge David Bunning “grossly overstepped his bounds and violated Mrs Davis’ due process rights, and in particular her right to a jury trial.”

    Contempt of court is not a criminal charge or civil complaint that results in a jury trial or hearings. It’s punishment for dismissing court authority, disobeying court orders or impeding the ability of the court to perform its function, according to Law.com. Contempt is determined by the judge overseeing the case. Fines or brief jail time are common sanctions.

    Oath Keepers are telling an obvious lie by saying that Kim Davis has a right to a jury trial. If Americans don’t know that yet, they soon will. If Kim Davis blocks marriage licenses on Monday, and if Oath Keepers aren’t bluffing and are planning to attack or fire on U.S. marshals, this could turn into a catastrophe for fundamentalist Christians. There isn’t enough popcorn in the world to supply all the people who will be watching this disaster in the making.

  94. Don Chandler says:

    Not sure what your point is. Kim Davis doesn’t have a leg to stand on in any case. But if you mean the supreme court ruling that lead to marriage equality…I’m going to leave the constitutionality for others to discuss. I’m good with the decision. But more curiously, when does Federal law trump state law? Here is something from Huffington Post as a starter:

    The law that applies to situations where state and federal laws disagree is called the supremacy clause, which is part of article VI of the Constitution. The supremacy clause contains what’s known as the doctrine of pre-emption, which says that the federal government wins in the case of conflicting legislation. Basically, if a federal and state law contradict, then when you’re in the state you can follow the state law, but the feds can decide to stop you. When there is a conflict between a state law and federal law, it is the federal law that prevails. For example, if a federal regulation prohibits the use of medical marijuana, but a state regulation allows it, the federal law prevails.– bit old but here is the link.


    Or maybe you mean the Sheriff rules in Kentucky….

    You’re being vague.

  95. Anthony Sailas says:

    You speak of laws but you need to hear what the laws where on the federal government jurisdiction on state matters NO LAW SUPERSEDES THE CONSTITUTION

  96. Indigo says:

    I don’t think that’s so much a civil war as it is an expression of fear, jealousy, and ignorance. Mostly ignorance. And the insistence on police training that favors paramilitary attack rather than keeping the peace. It’s that priority that allows police investigations to report that officers were behaving correctly. The training is not for keeping the peace, the training amounts to paradigms of violence with the result that the use of violence as first response is “correct.” Uf-da!

  97. Anthony Sailas says:

    First they came for the gun owners, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a gun owner.

    Then they came for the poor, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not poor.

    Then they came for the rich, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a rich.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.wait till they come for YOU

  98. Bill_Perdue says:

    I think the ongoing war against people of color, which produces more and more deaths every year, qualifies as a civil war. It may not appear so because nationally the Democrats and Republicans refuse to prosecute racist cops and many others like Zimmermann.

    That’s been the case since the Great Betrayal of 1877 which ended Reconstruction and was the green light for wave after wave of racist violence.

  99. Bill_Perdue says:

    More like the brownshirts in 1919.

  100. Kay Lavendera says:

    I agree. The thing is – the feds should have done more with Cliven Bundy (still waiting) as it further emboldens these scofflaws.

  101. Indigo says:

    Oh good! We haven’t had a rip-snortin’ civil war for over a century.

  102. Don Chandler says:

    What about the judges court order and the clerks that are obeying him? What kind of trouble is Kim going to cause? Does her god approve? I remember reading someplace that the police chief in Ferguson wasn’t very happy seeing these morons in the mix:

    Wiki on Oath Keepers: St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar told the newspaper that the Oath Keepers’ “…presence was both unnecessary and inflammatory.” The group’s activities in Ferguson led to them being labeled “vigilantes” by some journalists [“provocateurs” is a better word]

    Generally speaking, no, specifically speaking, they are undermining the law and order of the Rohan County Sheriff’s department–something they don’t deserve. The Sheriff treated Kim Davis with respect but followed the courts order. I’m sure the Sheriff is looking forward to being…”educated.”

    Rohan and Kentucky are in a pickle, alright…all because Kim Davis believes she will go to Hell if she gives some Civil Marriage licenses to gay couples. She’s like a terrible 2 year old and she’s being joined by her big 3 year old brother, Steward Rhodes, but he and his buddies have guns. I wouldn’t be very happy if I lived in Rohan County. I think they have ways to deal with OathBreakers that come from out of state. Stockades comes to mind or several large sacks and a dump truck and enough gas to get to the border and back.

    You’re right though, nobody wants to wake up and see “shoot out” in Rohan County. It would validate the crazies. Only religion seems to bring us all to the brink, not civil marriage, whacked out religious people…like in the middle east.

  103. leliorisen says:

    Welcome to the Christian version of ISIS.

  104. Dennis Taylor says:

    The only true oath these rogue idiots are faithful is an oath to be stupid, ignorant and given over to willful ignorance. Their web site is complete sham and a lie. If any of these lunatics were ever in law enforcement or in the military, they now demonstrate themselves to be a disgrace to those uniforms. They’ve given up the right to wear any forms of honor from past service to no be a total disgrace to the USA.

  105. Nylund says:

    Waco is exactly why the Feds will do what they did at the Bundy ranch…give in and walk away. No one really thinks of Waco as a success story.

    The Feds don’t want to have to do what it would be necessary to do to win that armed conflict. That’s especially true under Obama. The crazies have believed for years that Obama is going to use force on them, take their guns, issue martial law, put them into FEMA concentration camps, etc. It’s all that “Jade Helm” crap… Getting into an armed conflict with Oath Keepers will only make their crazy thoughts seem less crazy.

    And do you really think Obama wants to wake up to headlines like, “Gov’t forces woman to gay marry people at gun point.”

    Of course the Feds could whoop their ass, and probably should whoop their ass, but they won’t. They don’t want to pour more gasoline onto the fire.

    And as a result, we’ll enter a new paradigm where Federal law becomes optional if you’re a right-winger with an army.

  106. BeccaM says:

    Moreover, Davis has had her day in court — repeatedly. She was also granted several stays of the judges’ orders while the cases proceeded and appeals considered. Davis was permitted to go on breaking U.S. and Kentucky law (as revised post-Obergefeld) and to defy a federal judge’s lawful orders for months while the cases were considered.

    Ultimately, Davis lost. She lost all the way to the Supreme Court and back. Her grounds for losing were remarkably similar to those clerks and JoPs who lost when they tried to challenge the Loving v. Virginia decision on the basis of their religious beliefs. In short, government employees do not get religious exemptions for the performance of their normal assigned job duties.

    When the stays were lifted and Davis enjoined from preventing couples legally entitled to marriage licenses from obtaining them, she announced and followed through on her threats to disobey. This is the very definition of ‘contempt of court.’

    Judges have a fair amount of leeway in deciding how to handle contempt of court, including warnings, fines, and/or jail. Bunning did give Davis ample warnings, but she was adamant about refusing to comply. He told her, “Comply, or go to jail.” She chose jail. A few hours later when all the clerks except for Davis’ nepotism-hire son said they’d obey, Bunning had Davis brought back and said she’d be released if she promised not to interfere with what the deputy clerks were doing; she refused, so it was back to the pokey for her for the weekend. Since it was well-known that others would pay fines on Davis’ behalf — and she would continue to defy the court’s orders indefinitely — jailing one woman temporarily was the least severe action available to compel immediate compliance from the county clerk’s office.

    And hell, he could’ve left Davis in jail for up to 18 months or until she recanted her defiance of the court orders. Bunning showed extreme leniency repeatedly.

    When, as most expect, she goes back to work next Monday and stops all marriage license processing in Rowan County again, it should come as no surprise to anyone when she’s summoned back to Bunning’s court, arrested by federal marshals on the spot, and hauled off to jail again.

    Yeah, Davis can continue to refuse to obey. But she isn’t immune from the consequences of her lawbreaking.

  107. LiberalRedneck says:

    I hope they take on the feds in an armed conflict. Can anybody say Waco?

  108. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Whackadoddles with guns Now that is a great combination.

  109. oblivion328 says:

    I suspect the SS was generally more competent than these guys.

  110. BeccaM says:

    I was thinking more “brownshirts.”

  111. iamlegion says:

    These people are just astoundingly stupid. Davis had her day in court, and lost. Repeatedly and all the way to the Supreme Court. The Contempt issue isn’t a criminal charge – and it doesn’t come with a jury trial – it’s punishment for refusing to abide by the court’s decision. Not to mention the fact that these “Oath Keepers” are actually defending Davis for _violating_ her oath.

    I’ll say it again, and to anyone’s face – “Oath Keepers” are thugs, crooks, and con men with no honor, no dignity, and no grasp of either the law or the Constitution. And Rhodes is the biggest fool of them all.

  112. Baal says:

    The SS

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